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believe July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the army would change the game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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planets I am your host Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you do it

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how you doing right

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tonight kicking off the week very

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special guests joining the show mr.

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Christopher O'Brien is here man oh man I

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old 25 years in this game and we're

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gonna talk about all of that tonight

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tomorrow night Johnny

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Enoch is here first time guests Johnny

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yaki excited about that kids Johnny

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Enoch from the great white north and

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leak to the story the new area 51 where

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email that I received right before the

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show tonight I'm gonna read that in a

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hate to do this but yes earlier today

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rest in peace

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Stanley the legendary and it's that is

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certainly applies to Stan the writer the

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editor publisher of Marvel Comics who in

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in most eyes including my own Stanley

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was a real-life superhero he died he

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passed away today he was 95 years old

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and he just think about it Thor and

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spider-man and everything else that that

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he created for us and made growing up

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pretty cool right and the success of

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Marvel Marvel Studios in the movies

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which I watch him all I do I do passed

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away today and he rocked it all the way

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to 95 and whatever the last Marvel I

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don't even know what the last thing that

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Rita and I but Stan always does you know

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the little cameos right does the little

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cameos and I believe he was like a bus

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driver a metro bus driver who's driving

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the bus I was like glad Stan you know

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you always look for Stan's little thing

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that he did in in every single movie but

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he passed away today and like I said he

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rocked it all the way to 95 years old

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Wow well you know it's one of those

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things I swear I'm just gonna say it cuz

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I know everybody's thinking of the same

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thing every time you saw a stand in a

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movie you know doing the cameo it's like

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man he's still alive I mean 95 he did it

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his way and so there's nothing else to

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rest in peace Stan and there you go

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95 years old alright other breaking news

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and this is all over mass media once

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again and this time it comes over from

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Ireland several sightings of an

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unidentified flying object a UFO at

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astronomical speed air quotes

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disappearing off the coast of Ireland as

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sparked an investigation by the Irish

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Aviation Authority the UFO was first

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spotted by a British Airways pilot last

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Friday November 9th at approximately 647

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a.m. local time while flying over the

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southwest coast of Ireland the pilot was

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flying a Boeing 787 from Heathrow to

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Montreal when he made a call to Shannon

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air traffic control ATC to ask if there

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was any military exercises taking place

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in the airspace a Virgin Airlines Boeing

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a 747 pilot then joined the conversation

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that I'm quoting here glad it wasn't

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just me and reported that a UFO was

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Shannon ATC told the British Airlines

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pilot British Airways pilot that other

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aircraft in the air have also reported

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the same thing so we're gonna have to

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look and see the Irish Aviation

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report of the unusual air activity

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following reports from a small number of

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aircraft on Friday there you go

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mainstream media covering UFOs pretty

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now and the other thing is this and I

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thoughts on this because I there we need

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more info but after listening to the

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recordings and the descriptions that

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came in from the pod one of the other

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pilots said well it felt like it kind of

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looked like a meteor and that was kind

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of strange and it's so very very weird

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that was posted up over the weekend on

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coast to coast AMS website of those

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objects that were coming down and then

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staying stationary and some we're saying

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that those could have been parachutes

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they're using flares and so that kind

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if I backed off on that but the

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descriptions of what these pilots saw

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compared to what was filmed over Costa

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very similar in their descriptions so

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audio a view of faux sighting in Irish

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to do anything it's just right here and

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that's how we do it with our sponsors ok

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and your support alright let's get this

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show cracking happy birthday to today

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Neil Young Neil Young is 73 years old

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now today's his birthday but he lost his

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home in the SoCal fires this weekend yep

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yep quite a few celebrities did and

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although that's kind of expected first

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off at Southern California's second it's

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Malibu and that's who lives out there

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but homes or homes and property is

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property and that kind of destruction is

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is awful to go through and Neil Young

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lost his home this weekend and Hathaway

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today is 36 she was in she wasn't on

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peyote right and Hathaway and hathwell

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date today is 36 OTD on this day in

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history 1980 more than three years after

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its launch the planetary probe Voyager 1

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Beecher right

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Voyager 1 gets to within 77,000 miles of

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Saturn and starts beaming back high

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resolutions to Planet Earth

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high-resolution images and then it was

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revealed in those images most people

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don't know we thought that Saturn had

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like three rings six rings you know it's

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what we could count you know with the

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telescope and then we find out I forget

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what the number was like 200 rings some

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were like braided together and weaved

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and and it was crazy to find all those

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physics that we thought were taking

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place around in those rings of Saturn

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also discovered I think three new moons

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and I think that with those

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high-resolution images they found out I

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think was Titan that Titan had an

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atmosphere I'm old I can't remember

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everything but I try to but that was a

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that was a pretty big day and it

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happened on this day in 1980 Fader fact

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are you ready fader fact right now I'm

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looking at the clock and this is my

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fader fact the earth has traveled more

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than 15,000 miles since the start of

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this show 15 minutes ago and that is

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your fader fact all right tonight very

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special guest Chris O'Brien is here very

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excited about that we're going to talk

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about all of his latest research in this

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project that he is working

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he's been in this field for over 25

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years

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crypto right Bigfoot cattle mutilations

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UFOs sightings he's been doing it for a

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very very long time we're gonna discuss

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all of that and what is going on not

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only with our community with all of this

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stuff because he's got a great exciting

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project that we announced last month on

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this show going on over in cross town

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we're gonna talk about that tonight too

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as well and what he is doing in the

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future

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okay so we're gonna talk about all of

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that tonight with Chris O'Brien tomorrow

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night first time guests Johnny

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Enoch is here we're gonna talk about the

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new area 51 that you don't know about

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and that is tomorrow night we're also

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gonna talk about loss history and we're

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gonna do some Egypt and we're gonna

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discuss South and Central America

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tomorrow night all of that with Johnny

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Enoch Wednesday night Patrick wood is

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here now I had Patrick on coast to coast

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last night I think we did like two and a

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half straight hours last night with

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Patrick and I got to the end of the show

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and I was like well there's too much

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more to discuss here it's a great

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conversation so we move stuff around and

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we've got Patrick back joining us I'm

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fade to black on Wednesday night I'm

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calling the show technocracy 2.0 cuz we

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did 1.0 last night Thursday night's

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another Fator night with Theresa and

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Aris Devine frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines all night long

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now all right I got to talk to you about

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something for a second and let's just

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get this going let me hit this Rivermen

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coffee yep well here it is it's Monday

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night and somehow we made it here to

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start off another great week on the show

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right on fade to black but for us and

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for most of California it was a very

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very long weekend and Friday was one of

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the most trying days for our community

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here in California with all of the news

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coming out of the Central Valley and the

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town of Paradise dealing with the

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massive fires that are still burning

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here right now today I think that all of

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us just wanted the time to pass as

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quickly as possible

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we just want everything to end we wanted

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to stop burning and then the winds

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kicked off again overnight you know so

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we'll see but the news and the video of

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the destruction is unbelievable and we

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got the news yesterday that la Marzulli

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researcher friend and show host with us

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here on kgr a lost his home and studio

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to the fires and you see here's the

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thing my job my gig is radio and so what

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I do that's how I take care of my family

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and we all have a job but mine is

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broadcasting and all weekend I was over

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at coast right I rap on fade to black

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and boom I roll over to coast to coast

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for the weekend and during the show over

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at coast this weekend I have a large

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monitor in front of me in the studio

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with breaking news on it and we have to

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do that this is a live national radio

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show the biggest overnight radio show

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the largest you know for 25 years we

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have a large audience so part of that

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you know when you broadcast for for a

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network the biggest network in the world

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which is premier i heart radio if

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there's breaking news I have to do it so

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I've got you know the the news is always

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live in front of me and we do that for

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the obvious reasons right you know I

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have to know what's going on and if

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something does break I have to report it

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but there's another thing altogether

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when the breaking news is a huge fire

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burning just north of the studio right

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as I'm broadcasting and this time around

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I didn't have thankfully anything crazy

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that I had to break into the show with

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but I did have to watch it now over the

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last four or five years there have been

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a few times when it has happened and I

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don't like it when I have to break into

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a show with breaking news because the

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sort of breaking news that you interrupt

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his show with is always bad it's not

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good news that you break in you know to

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the broadcast with and I get it it's my

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job

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but it doesn't make it easy or something

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that you get used to but I do have a

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responsibility to the audience and to

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the network but it's the part of the job

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that I just don't enjoy I don't now what

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it does do for me is that it puts

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everything into perspective in a very

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direct sense in that life can change for

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you in an instant the kind of changes in

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life that last forever so when you hear

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me say things like you know I don't do

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negative well I don't because I have to

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live with it

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you know it's my job and I have my

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reasons for saying that I just don't do

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negative and when I do say it I mean it

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the last thing I want to do seriously

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is fan flames that's it I don't do

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negative I I'm not I'm not gonna do it

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I'm not gonna create negativity for you

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and all of you really seriously should

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do what I do don't do negative life is

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short

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I have said this to my kids since they

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were born always do the right thing if

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you're listening to me right now always

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do the right thing every minute every

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second of every day if you're out there

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posting on Facebook or on Twitter

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negative you're part of the problem so I

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want you to stop and think about did you

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post something negative today did you

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say something negative to somebody did

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you it was it political that you attack

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somebody for for being right or left did

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you do that don't do it right something

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about UFOs or ghosts or the paranormal

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or

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vegetarians meat-eater

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did you post something negative today

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well you you wish you to take it back

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don't do it just don't you don't want

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the last thing the lot of thing that

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everyone will remember about you is that

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you were being an ass that what you want

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or even worse that if something bad

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happens to somebody anybody and the last

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thing you did or said to that person

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wasn't cool wasn't nice right is that

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what you want is that the legacy you

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want always do the right thing no matter

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what happens because if you do you run

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clean your mind your conscience

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everything your day is a bright light in

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the night too by the way so with that

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it's another great week coming up on

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fade to black and I really look forward

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to each Monday and this particular

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Monday couldn't get here fast enough and

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I am serious listen to me I thank you

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for that we thank you for that all of

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you seriously so today I got this email

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and I want to read it to you

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it says hello Jimmy I listened to your

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coast-to-coast show last night and I was

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laughing about the bit on the triumphs a

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song I have a rural newspaper route and

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I listened to the show every night after

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coast to coast is over a local radio

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show takes over at 5:00 a.m.

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Willis and Schneider in the morning

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hello Willis and Schneider will isn't

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Schneider who has done school they have

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a call-in contest every morning using a

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trivia question and offering a chance to

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win tickets to an event happening

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locally this morning the tickets they

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offered were for a New Year's Eve party

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at the Hard

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Rocsi know where they are having a

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journey event with a journey tribute

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band the trivia question was about an

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early journey album in which there was a

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second lead singer in addition to Steve

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Perry the question was who was the

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second lead singer so I wanted to call

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in and say it was Jimmy Church so keep

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those golden pipes tuned to Jimmy and

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that's from Rachel now this is the thing

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and thank you for the email that triumph

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humor last night during the show was me

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just trying to deflect from the fires

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that were burning on the monitor in

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front of me and and the darkness and the

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craziness and I'm trying to keep it

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light all right I'm just trying to get

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through the show and have fun I don't

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want to be brought down with negativity

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and have that broadcast through the

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airwaves it's not what I do and that's

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how I clean up my own mind I crack a

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joke about Rick Emmett and you know

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hopefully it made everyone laugh because

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Rachel did and that's what I do all

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right

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there's so much negativity in this world

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right now and I don't have the time for

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it I'm around it so much that if I

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stopped and read or got affected by all

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of this negativity then it's gonna come

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through this microphone and it's gonna

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go back to you and it's gonna bum every

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that's I just don't do it

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I don't react to it and when I had said

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last week and when I was like you know

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what man I just block people I really do

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you know and if you think about it

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with all of the broadcaster's out there

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at all of the show hosts and the people

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on the news and the things that are on

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television and all of that stuff that's

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out there if those if those people

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reacted to negativity and spoke about it

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on the air I just got this tweet I just

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read this tweet I just saw this post I

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saw this thing and

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and I you don't want what would that say

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what would that do to you you know and I

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am the exact same way I just don't do it

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I don't and I'm not going to so practice

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practice I do it you should do it too

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it'll change you you know it'll change

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you won't be dragged out there is

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anything crazy in your life or somebody

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that's your legacy and you need to think

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about that this is fade to black

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I am your host Jimmy Church tonight it

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is Chris O'Brien Chris O'Brien I cannot

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man he hosted I'm gonna ask him about

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this when he when he's Reza be the first

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Emile's jimmy church tonight christopher

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o'brien

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is with us tomorrow night Johnny Enoch

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is here Wednesday night Patrick wood

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discussing technocracy 2.0 Thursday

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night another Fator night Theresa and I

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are is gonna be here divine frequency on

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line long but tonight it's Chris and

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Chris O'Brien has devoted over 20 years

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25 years to investigating and

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researching hundreds of unexplained

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events in South Central Colorado North

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also known as the SLV his investigation

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is detailed in his mysterious Valley

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book trilogy and field investigations of

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UFOs cattle mutilations crypto creatures

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in this cetera is one of the largest

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databases of unusual occurrences

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gathered from a single region his latest

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project UFO DAP UFO D ap is actively

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monitoring the airspace over the sov we

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announced that last month with Chris

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here on fade to black he has appeared on

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over 70 TV shows including ancient

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aliens coast-to-coast

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inside edition extra etc and it has

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produced the film it could happen

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tomorrow winner of two 2012

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latest book stalking the herd is the

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most comprehensive book written

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attempting to unravel the cattle

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mutilation mystery and I would like to

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welcome back to fade to black mr.

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Christopher O'Brien Chris you there good

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evening how are you man going through

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kind of chest cold so if I start

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sounding like coqui the Frog don't

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wonder why you sound great you sound

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that's all that matters do you remember

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what was that

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that's skit on SS Saturday Night Live

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Ricardo Montalban right it's better to

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to look marvelous

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than to feel marvelous right so that's

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all that you sound great that's all that

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matters Chris that's all that matter

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so yeah totally yeah Billy Crystal yeah

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but last month I want to start here

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before we go backwards I want to do a

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little current events we announced the

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UFO da P last last month here on fade to

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black with you and we did that little

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Kickstarter for you and I thank you very

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much absolutely and you know every

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little bit counts but what's what's the

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latest have you started collecting data

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yeah we have actually it's been managed

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it's a lot more complicated and

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technical when you have the kind of

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setup that we have and so it takes a

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little bit of time to get everything

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dialed in but right at that point now

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where we have our main cameras dialed in

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and we do have a couple of things that

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we need to tweak on it it's not quite

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level which is one thing that's gonna be

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an issue but we have our the guy who did

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all our installation work Gary Mayer

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he's actually out by you do right now

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he's his father has been ill and he's

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out there taking care of him he'll be

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back in about a week and so we'll get

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him up there just and put it up about a

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degree from left to right it's just

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widely planted and we need to shore it

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up a little bit when we pull all the way

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out 36 times off uncle zoom there's a

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little bit of a shake there so we need

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to we need to get that taken care of but

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we have our software is is operating and

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we've got the detection the detection

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algorithms are getting enough you know

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the bugs are getting out of that and

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it's um it's a lot more involved and

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it's a lot more technical than I think

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the average person would imagine it's

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it's pretty involved I a lot of its over

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my head that's why we have a next Cisco

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engineer and a next Disney computer

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scientist that are doing all this this

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these algorithms and stuff I've you know

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it's way above my pay grade right and

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Chris can I get you to speak up into the

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microphone it sounds a little dip

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then soundcheck are using the same

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microphone Wow okay

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all right hmm okay so moving on of that

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well we'll find out as we continue on

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the the data itself have you seen

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because and you can describe to the

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audience actually what's going on well

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we'll go over that again but you're

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triangulating and locating with

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automation and custom software objects

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in the sky have you has the

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triangulation worked and have you been

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able to see things well we've been able

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to see things we've had a couple three

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events that um there were pretty

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anomalous at that point we hadn't got

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the the actual user interface the GUI

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operating so we couldn't record but one

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of our guys was monitoring for about

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three straight nights was monitoring a

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quite a number of hours and you did have

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a very interesting you know event of a

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light that appeared to shoot down a

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light into the area and actually blinded

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the camera we had a huge white flash

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that we could not it seemed to come from

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above and we were unable to determine

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actually where it came from although we

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did have just prior to that we had an

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object that was approaching us from the

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upper I think left-hand side from the

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north north by North West coming in and

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the camera responded to it but he he was

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manually controlling there at this point

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and when he went to look at it yeah we

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were our camera was blinded for an

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instant and we unfortunately at that

814
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:06,760
point this was pretty early on we hadn't

815
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:09,640
got the the graphic user interface the

816
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:12,520
auto portion of that working and so we

817
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,410
were unable to go into record mode but

818
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:17,200
we've got all that figured out now so as

819
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:18,820
soon as we get a really really nice

820
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,150
event that'll be all recorded the other

821
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:24,160
camera is still being it's still being

822
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:26,920
worked on getting the the it's called a

823
00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:29,770
VPN it's a Virtual Private Network then

824
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:31,620
we need to establish back to

825
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:33,600
to California because we're going into

826
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:36,030
our trunk line and so that's it caused

827
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,850
more more headaches for us because we're

828
00:40:45,830 --> 00:40:41,280
not going to like a you know your

829
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,840
standard is IPS you know the internet

830
00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:47,460
company with a router and everything

831
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,620
we're going right into a trunk line so

832
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:51,720
we have to establish a virtual private

833
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:53,910
network through the internet for that

834
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:55,770
one and we're still working on that now

835
00:41:03,830 --> 00:40:59,520
with this what do you hope to achieve

836
00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:03,840
and what's the goal well well the goal

837
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:05,600
is very simple

838
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:08,790
you know all of us that are interested

839
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:13,380
in the the UAP or UFO subject would

840
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:15,810
agree that most of what we're seeing

841
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,500
today is very reactive it's it's going

842
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,420
through databases it's collecting

843
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:24,240
information it's everything is after the

844
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:24,660
fact

845
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,210
everything is downstream from the actual

846
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:29,700
event and what we're attempting to do is

847
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:32,460
capture these events in a in a very very

848
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:35,160
hot spot area which is the San Luis

849
00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:37,050
Valley which I've demonstrated over the

850
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,600
since the you know the late 80s or early

851
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:41,520
90s I've demonstrated this as an

852
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:44,310
extremely active area that it has a

853
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:47,640
fairly consistent amount of unexplained

854
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,410
aerial activity so what we've done is

855
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:51,720
we've set up two cameras and what we're

856
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:53,820
what we're hoping to do with these

857
00:41:59,540 --> 00:41:56,670
cameras is automatically these cameras

858
00:42:02,240 --> 00:41:59,550
are being caught basically and

859
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:02,250
programmed with algorithms how to

860
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:06,810
capture unusual area level activity

861
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,660
factor out any conventional explanation

862
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:11,460
and then go ahead and record that and

863
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:14,010
have all the cameras in the system

864
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:16,470
ultimately we're going to have four but

865
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,090
right now we're it were two and have

866
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:20,700
both those cameras focus in on the event

867
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:24,480
and with two cameras looking at it at an

868
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:27,770
event you can determine distance sighs

869
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:31,140
airspeed altitude azimuth

870
00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:33,300
you know all these various things that

871
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:35,600
we really want to know real-time and

872
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:38,580
that combined with a pretty

873
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:41,430
sophisticated package of detection gear

874
00:42:45,350 --> 00:42:44,760
that will look for changes in the

875
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:45,360
Earth's magnetic

876
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,200
field changes in the Earth's gravity

877
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:50,640
would with this type of scientific

878
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:54,270
information and acoustic recordings for

879
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,790
instance electromagnetic Trifield meter

880
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:00,840
fluctuations in the electromagnetic

881
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:03,450
spectrum with this kind of information

882
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:06,380
real-time and then getting it again

883
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:09,240
duplicating that information you could

884
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:12,660
write a scientific paper and we really

885
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,310
feel that this is the direction that you

886
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:16,440
vollentine eads to be going and to get

887
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:18,870
proactive to really attempt to get hard

888
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,790
data now there's a lot of naysayers out

889
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,380
there that say well they tried that up

890
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:25,320
at skinwalker ranch and and you know it

891
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,570
was the trickster got involved and and

892
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:29,460
you know every time they thought they

893
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:31,230
had something it would pull the wires

894
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:33,000
out or we know there's all these

895
00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:35,310
apocryphal stories and we understand all

896
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:37,620
that but in the San Luis Valley we have

897
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,010
a 360 degree you know we can see 200

898
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,740
miles in all directions and it's a

899
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:45,900
little difference in you know a little

900
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,050
Hidden Valley and Utah we've got

901
00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:51,000
incredible vistas and we're comfortably

902
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:52,320
in five thousand square miles of

903
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:55,170
airspace so we're hoping to make history

904
00:44:03,860 --> 00:43:59,280
day basically is there when you start to

905
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,870
collect this data you also need to start

906
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,300
to categorize and hopefully debunk

907
00:44:12,590 --> 00:44:09,480
certain things too as well where we can

908
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:12,600
remove aircraft you know normal man-made

909
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:14,970
stuff or what possibly could be a

910
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:17,150
satellite and then we have the truly

911
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:20,250
unexplainable stuff that don't fit into

912
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:22,470
those categories will you be able to do

913
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,400
that yes there's a very good program

914
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:29,400
called flightradar24 it allows you to

915
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:32,130
instantly in real time factor out any

916
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:34,290
transplant hundred aircraft in the area

917
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:36,510
and that stuff we're going to be

918
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:38,610
eventually tying in with that there's

919
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:42,530
also the nasa bolide project there's

920
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:45,060
most of the earth satellites i think

921
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:48,870
we'll be able to determine our way up

922
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:51,210
there in the sky possibly we will get

923
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,810
some high fliers that are trying to

924
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,540
pretend to be satellites I'm not really

925
00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:59,220
sure how many

926
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:01,730
the sworn satellites are being listed

927
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,290
I'm sure there's some up there that are

928
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:08,400
officially not acknowledged so I think

929
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:10,770
for the most part the the man-made

930
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,990
objects are going to be pretty easy to

931
00:45:16,819 --> 00:45:15,119
factor out the things that I'm really

932
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:16,829
interested in are some of the natural

933
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,230
phenomena that may be occurring in the

934
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:21,000
San Luis Valley that have not yet been

935
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:23,910
defined by electrical discharges from

936
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:25,770
the courts inside the Sangre de Cristo

937
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:29,190
Mountains for instance strange lighting

938
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:30,630
effects out at the Great Sand Dunes

939
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:34,190
where you can get some static electrical

940
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:36,270
charges that are built up by the wind

941
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:39,390
and the sand there's 2 billion dollars

942
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:42,150
worth of methane about eight miles away

943
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:44,490
from our you know front row camera and

944
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:46,740
there may be times when the methane

945
00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:49,980
actually flores's and so any of

946
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:53,550
low-to-the-ground colorful you know miss

947
00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:56,609
for instance we might be able to factor

948
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,190
out some sightings from the past the

949
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,400
reported those as as unusual craft let's

950
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,040
say are lighted craft so there's natural

951
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,720
phenomena to that that we're very

952
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:08,940
interested in capturing because it's

953
00:46:16,099 --> 00:46:12,540
very rare and and I don't know of any

954
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:16,109
good examples of you know for instance

955
00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:17,940
it's like the Brown Mountain lights for

956
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:19,109
instance which are a lot more

957
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:22,290
predictable in a sense but but we're

958
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:24,569
looking we're looking to be able to

959
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,230
factor out all potential false positives

960
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:31,440
and really concentrate on on landings of

961
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:35,430
the real anomalous you know intelligence

962
00:46:40,099 --> 00:46:38,130
of flybys that aren't man-made now

963
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:40,109
you've been you know in the San Luis

964
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:42,410
Valley and investigating there since

965
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:46,400
1992 that's that's that's a long time

966
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:49,079
with all of the sightings that you have

967
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,720
spent out there you did you know nearly

968
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:54,960
ten straight years investigating the

969
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:57,810
valley when you look back at all the

970
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,599
things that you have witnessed in a

971
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:03,660
roundabout way can you venture to guess

972
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:05,880
how how many of those sightings were you

973
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:09,569
want you know what that's et right that

974
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:12,930
that is not from this planet you know it

975
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:14,490
do you walk away with that with that

976
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:20,579
conclusion often well there have been

977
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,430
some sightings that I you know I really

978
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:26,460
just I just for the life of me I can't I

979
00:47:35,059 --> 00:47:31,170
can't say that it was anything there was

980
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:35,069
ours that we know about officially there

981
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:37,470
was quite a number I've had sightings of

982
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:39,480
small craft for instance that have been

983
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:43,500
very very close to me yet one sighting

984
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:45,930
in particular was 150 feet away in broad

985
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,569
daylight one o'clock in the afternoon as

986
00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:50,280
we were driving along this thing flew

987
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:52,589
right in front of our car at first I

988
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:53,970
thought it was a model airplane really

989
00:48:00,380 --> 00:47:56,940
close to us like some sort of remote you

990
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:00,390
know or RC type plane or something but

991
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,520
then I realized no quite a quite a

992
00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:04,380
further away meaning it was much much

993
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:06,750
bigger probably about 10 to 12 feet and

994
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:10,140
this thing scooted by like a fishing

995
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,270
lure looked like somebody was reeling it

996
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:14,670
in from across er the other side of this

997
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:16,950
of the where fennel Valley to the

998
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:18,990
backside of the Sangre de Cristo's and

999
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,430
they had two other witnesses with me too

1000
00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:22,319
so it wasn't you it wasn't my

1001
00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:24,829
imagination like what was that

1002
00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,349
and and these little things have been

1003
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:30,359
seen all the way back into the early 60s

1004
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,210
so this is you know again one of those

1005
00:48:38,059 --> 00:48:35,640
things that when you start doing the

1006
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:38,069
research and you start looking at wave

1007
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:39,930
society into particular you know

1008
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:42,119
descriptions of craft and then you

1009
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:43,770
encounter something like that you know

1010
00:48:51,049 --> 00:48:48,559
50 years later or 40 years later yes

1011
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:51,059
it's kind of hard not to sit there and

1012
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,650
scratch your head and just go man

1013
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:54,660
there's something strange like you know

1014
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:56,130
that you'll be that's one of the many

1015
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,930
strange things flying around here but

1016
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:00,540
it's uh it's consistent and these things

1017
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:01,890
have been reported going into the

1018
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:04,170
mountains there was a whole spate of

1019
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:05,700
them going in and out of middle Creek

1020
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:08,750
Hill and lysandre's back in the 60s so

1021
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,640
that's pretty pretty amazing that the

1022
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:14,400
huge craft to block out the Stars I've

1023
00:49:19,819 --> 00:49:16,049
seen a couple of those one was

1024
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:19,829
rectangular one was triangular those

1025
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:22,260
were very very impressive even though

1026
00:49:26,539 --> 00:49:23,700
there were no lights there was no way to

1027
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:26,549
determine the actual distance from the

1028
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:27,220
grass

1029
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:29,800
it was immense so it had to have been at

1030
00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:33,160
least a mile mile and a half long so you

1031
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:35,470
know crap like that you just there's

1032
00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:38,110
nothing that that I know of and I'm

1033
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:41,080
fairly well-read and I try to keep up on

1034
00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:46,360
you know aerospace stuff and just just

1035
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:51,190
too big too large for for us to be able

1036
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:53,320
to to fly something like that around

1037
00:49:59,460 --> 00:49:56,710
without it being uh you know known known

1038
00:50:02,400 --> 00:49:59,470
about and then we're getting out so yeah

1039
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:02,410
there's been quite a number and some of

1040
00:50:09,690 --> 00:50:05,380
the weird natural phenomena see that

1041
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:09,700
there may be a price range in nature in

1042
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:12,070
terms of maybe you know something other

1043
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:15,790
let's say but looks twelve outward

1044
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:17,560
appearances like something natural on

1045
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,560
the enlarged I can't cheap firework so

1046
00:50:25,830 --> 00:50:23,200
like large and die fireworks that that

1047
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:25,840
fly around I've seen them was a

1048
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:29,440
completely uniform overcast sky below me

1049
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:31,030
and altitude lighting up the tops of

1050
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:33,490
trees for instance and then they only

1051
00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:35,530
last a couple three seconds four seconds

1052
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:37,720
and they look like giant bottle rockets

1053
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:39,670
that are fizzling out

1054
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:42,670
I still have have yet to come up with an

1055
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:44,650
explanation of what they are they're not

1056
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:46,930
meteors because like I said I've seen

1057
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:49,990
them a complete overcast sky so it's

1058
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:51,550
just a whole potpourri of things out

1059
00:50:55,830 --> 00:50:53,950
there and then you know I haven't seen

1060
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:55,840
one of the big mother ships at land but

1061
00:51:01,200 --> 00:50:58,410
all that all lit up like Christmas trees

1062
00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:01,210
there have been descriptions of craft

1063
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:04,030
there that some of the ranches have seen

1064
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:05,950
and one of the more remote areas that

1065
00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:09,490
that remind remind me of maybe not quite

1066
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:11,980
as dramatic as the ending scene of Close

1067
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:14,290
Encounters but stuff that's huge you

1068
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,270
know the size of large buildings landing

1069
00:51:22,850 --> 00:51:20,400
and guys pastures and it's it's just

1070
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:22,860
bewildering really I mean I literally

1071
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:25,600
filled in myself hundreds and hundreds

1072
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,590
of calls in ten years and then you know

1073
00:51:32,910 --> 00:51:30,880
just some of the stories that you hear

1074
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:32,920
from you know people saying yeah my

1075
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:35,230
parents you know they told us kids man

1076
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:37,210
when they first moved there they saw

1077
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,120
this you know and home

1078
00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:41,920
these stories of possible stories to go

1079
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:43,660
all the way back into the twenties

1080
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:48,730
about crash siding what was did you have

1081
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:52,390
an event that that got you into this

1082
00:51:58,050 --> 00:51:56,040
before you were you know a professional

1083
00:52:00,090 --> 00:51:58,060
researcher and it you know got into

1084
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:00,100
writing and broadcasting was there

1085
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:05,650
something that brought you here well not

1086
00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:08,950
really I moved to Santa Fe and I found

1087
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:10,990
out within a week that that just wasn't

1088
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:13,000
a good fit for myself and my girlfriend

1089
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:15,880
and I had a couple that lived up in this

1090
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:18,310
and we saw good friends of ours and they

1091
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:20,170
stayed working come on up here and and

1092
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:21,730
check it out and see if you like it we

1093
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:23,530
got an extra couple three bedrooms and

1094
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:26,290
so I went up there there was only 155

1095
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:28,090
people that lived there at the time and

1096
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:31,450
it was the second night I was there half

1097
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:35,530
the town showed up for a party which is

1098
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:39,180
it very interesting right a wild party

1099
00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:41,740
but you know the only thing that I knew

1100
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:43,240
about the San Luis Valley was

1101
00:52:49,070 --> 00:52:45,910
Mississippi the horse mutilation case

1102
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:49,080
which occurred way back in 67 in June or

1103
00:52:56,370 --> 00:52:53,890
September of 67 that I remember as a kid

1104
00:52:59,070 --> 00:52:56,380
when I was 10 seeing the Enquirer

1105
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,080
headline of flying saucers killed my

1106
00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:00,880
horse and in the picture of sniffing

1107
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:01,870
lying on the ground with the people

1108
00:53:05,490 --> 00:53:03,880
looking at it now I remember that

1109
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:05,500
distinctly and I'd never actually been

1110
00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:08,350
to the valley but but I that's when I

1111
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:09,820
first found out about it all the way

1112
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,570
back when I was 10 year old and and when

1113
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:15,040
I moved there that wasn't why I moved

1114
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:16,540
there I thought about all that stuff was

1115
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:18,010
ancient history that nothing was still

1116
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:19,570
going on so for the first couple of

1117
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:24,820
years 8990 I didn't really I asked a few

1118
00:53:28,620 --> 00:53:26,890
of the old-timers yes

1119
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:28,630
you know they anything was going on they

1120
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:30,580
looked at me like I had two heads so I

1121
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,860
figured pretty you know pretty early on

1122
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:35,200
just to keep quiet about it but then

1123
00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:37,630
things started happening I started

1124
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:39,460
seeing things friends of mine started

1125
00:53:44,340 --> 00:53:42,670
seeing things I have started to you know

1126
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:44,350
once I got to know people they would

1127
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:46,060
open up and say well you know I have

1128
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:50,230
seen a few things and so by 1991 then I

1129
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:53,980
I was trying to pick up my ears and

1130
00:53:58,830 --> 00:53:56,560
take notice you know in go out and check

1131
00:54:01,020 --> 00:53:58,840
places out I saw a landing swirled

1132
00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:01,030
landing circle out of you know the

1133
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:03,790
mineral Hot Springs with big swirled

1134
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:06,730
down area and glass from a landing the

1135
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:11,410
night before so I was pretty I had my

1136
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:13,390
eyes open and ears open and then by

1137
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:15,820
ninety-two then it really started to

1138
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:18,250
pick up and then I that's when I when I

1139
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:20,740
really started getting involved there's

1140
00:54:23,849 --> 00:54:22,660
whole time as I possibly could I put

1141
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:23,859
three hundred thousand miles on my

1142
00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:26,850
little truck yarn but six seven years

1143
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,520
the the night time sightings are one

1144
00:54:35,609 --> 00:54:33,280
thing but it's the daytime stuff when

1145
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:35,619
that happened in my opinion that's the

1146
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:42,970
Holy Grail what do you think excuse me

1147
00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:44,530
people say you know I don't you have

1148
00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:48,780
night vision you know I have clear and

1149
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,790
the reason is because we really want the

1150
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:53,680
daylight stuff that's where you get all

1151
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:56,050
your scientific information the

1152
00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:58,690
nighttime stuff can be dramatic we do

1153
00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:00,700
have cameras and go down to point zero

1154
00:55:05,099 --> 00:55:03,700
zero one luck so you know are any sort

1155
00:55:08,609 --> 00:55:05,109
of moon lights gonna give us a pretty

1156
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:08,619
pretty nice image for a nighttime it's

1157
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,540
very very efficient I like gathering but

1158
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,760
it's the it's the daytime sightings that

1159
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:18,240
are really key because you're able to

1160
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:20,490
really learn a lot more information

1161
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:23,500
about about an object when it's lying

1162
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:26,080
around if you have a good optical zoom

1163
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:29,490
and you have different camera positions

1164
00:55:33,810 --> 00:55:32,080
in that combined with with the

1165
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:33,820
magnetometer the graviton where the

1166
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,250
ammeters and the you know the acoustic

1167
00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:39,359
recording there's some real interesting

1168
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:41,320
recordings that have been made over the

1169
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:46,140
years of UFO sounds you know the low

1170
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:50,080
fifteen to twenty cycle sounds up to

1171
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:52,630
about forty to forty five cycles in that

1172
00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:55,930
range there's a lot of scientific

1173
00:56:01,800 --> 00:55:59,800
information that can be gleaned when

1174
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,810
these things do right angle turn to when

1175
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:03,760
they reverse direction for instance

1176
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:07,350
there is a very powerful low

1177
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:09,450
frequency extremely low-frequency sound

1178
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:12,030
wave that's produced and if we can get

1179
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:13,500
good recordings of that that's gonna

1180
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:17,460
that's gonna give us a whole dis just

1181
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:22,380
like a candy box full of data so this is

1182
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,110
really exciting the level of Technology

1183
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:28,640
the cost of equipment and you know the

1184
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,410
now the Internet is going out into these

1185
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:33,480
rural areas where sightings tend to

1186
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:35,970
happen more frequently and once you get

1187
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,100
those combinations of facts you got a

1188
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:40,200
perfect storm to to go ahead and create

1189
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:43,560
low-cost monitoring systems that can be

1190
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:46,430
placed very efficiently and easily

1191
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:49,770
anywhere in the world we're doing this

1192
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:53,670
now as a boiler plate because if you go

1193
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,300
to you fo Daffy dot-com you'll notice

1194
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:59,040
when as soon as the site's up in about a

1195
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,390
week you'll notice that we'll have

1196
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:02,940
packages that you can actually buy that

1197
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:05,150
are extremely low costs that are just

1198
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:07,350
we're keeping the price down Smith

1199
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,440
absolutely as long as we could go so

1200
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:12,960
that we can get some of these systems

1201
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:15,540
set up in other hotspot areas ultimately

1202
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:18,210
our goal is to have a whole web of these

1203
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:21,360
things around the planet all gathering

1204
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:25,770
data and and you know we're really you

1205
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:26,970
know hopefully we're going to get to a

1206
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:28,950
point where the data overwhelms the

1207
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:32,520
mystery you're right about that and

1208
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:34,920
there's a couple we all know about

1209
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:38,250
Joshua Tree right we know about Issa T

1210
00:57:46,070 --> 00:57:42,780
ranch skinwalker but there are sedona

1211
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:46,080
right there are places that I can't

1212
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:46,910
explain

1213
00:57:53,330 --> 00:57:50,610
Shasta that I visited where it is

1214
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:53,340
absolutely out of control every single

1215
00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:53,760
night

1216
00:58:00,320 --> 00:57:57,150
I don't here in Los Angeles I've got

1217
00:58:02,570 --> 00:58:00,330
great night vision I can go out with all

1218
00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:02,580
this light pollution here and I can

1219
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,590
still see a couple of things per night

1220
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:07,140
that I can't explain but there are other

1221
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,350
places where it's off the hook and there

1222
00:58:16,070 --> 00:58:12,540
is something going on and your solution

1223
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:16,080
is very very inexpensive I'm just

1224
00:58:20,530 --> 00:58:18,900
shocked I'm shocked I'm shocked let's uh

1225
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:20,540
let's take a break now

1226
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:23,960
people still donate by the way sure yeah

1227
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:25,880
we still have our GoFundMe project up

1228
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:27,710
we're going to go back in the spring and

1229
00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:30,200
put the other two cameras up and the

1230
00:58:36,310 --> 00:58:33,020
multi of the multi instrumented packages

1231
00:58:39,310 --> 00:58:36,320
EMS da u the gravity meter the

1232
00:58:41,890 --> 00:58:39,320
magnetometer but take a break right here

1233
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:41,900
our guest tonight is Christopher O'Brien

1234
00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:43,730
I do want to remind everybody tomorrow

1235
00:58:47,170 --> 00:58:44,270
night Johnny

1236
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:47,180
Enoch is gonna be here and on Wednesday

1237
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,190
nights that's right

1238
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:51,200
Patrick wood is back I had am on coast

1239
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:53,300
to coast last night bringing him back

1240
00:58:57,340 --> 00:58:55,310
for fade to black on Wednesday night

1241
00:58:59,110 --> 00:58:57,350
Thursday night's gonna be stay tonight

1242
00:59:00,250 --> 00:58:59,120
open lines all night long this is fade

1243
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,260
to black how many O's to meet yours

1244
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:02,720
tonight Christopher O'Brien will pick it

1245
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:04,370
up while we're leaving off right after

1246
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:06,510
this short break stay with us

1247
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:23,440
this is fade to black

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Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

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01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:29,950
[Applause]

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[Music]

1336
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:47,040
all right welcome back fade to black

1337
01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:50,910
come here super Church it's Monday

1338
01:03:57,350 --> 01:03:54,270
start of another week here we go tonight

1339
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:57,360
Christopher O'Brien is here and doing

1340
01:04:01,930 --> 01:03:59,160
this for a very very long time I'm a

1341
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:01,940
rookie Rookie

1342
01:04:06,350 --> 01:04:04,740
Chris I'm a rookie you look you probably

1343
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:06,360
look at me got Church man you've got so

1344
01:04:09,350 --> 01:04:08,610
much to learn you need to come and hang

1345
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:09,360
out with me

1346
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:11,370
but you've been doing this for a long

1347
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:14,370
long time and I wanted to share I wanted

1348
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,410
to share this with you

1349
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:19,680
we're up at ISA D now out of everything

1350
01:04:24,290 --> 01:04:22,020
I've got night vision and I got I do my

1351
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:24,300
thing and you've done it we've all seen

1352
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:27,150
stuff right but check this out this is

1353
01:04:32,450 --> 01:04:30,780
the one thing out of everything that

1354
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:32,460
I've ever seen is is the absolute

1355
01:04:38,090 --> 01:04:35,700
nuttiest and thank goodness I had

1356
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:38,100
witnesses we're up at ESET e in the

1357
01:04:43,450 --> 01:04:39,450
middle of the day it's like 3 o'clock in

1358
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:43,460
the afternoon and I've got my ginormous

1359
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,610
celestron binoculars on on a tripod on a

1360
01:04:52,070 --> 01:04:49,440
picnic table right and I'm just sitting

1361
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:52,080
there looking at Mount Adams you know

1362
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:55,170
zooming in and enjoying nature I'm in

1363
01:04:59,960 --> 01:04:57,660
the moment right and sitting next to me

1364
01:05:01,460 --> 01:04:59,970
is Steve Murillo right and you know

1365
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:01,470
Steve and he's sitting next to me and

1366
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:04,050
there's probably I don't know 5 or 10

1367
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:06,210
people sitting to my left on the picnic

1368
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:08,220
tables and there's people running around

1369
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:10,710
hi anyway so I'm looking at the top of

1370
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:14,040
Mount Adams and I'm looking at the rocks

1371
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:15,570
and looking at the trees looking at the

1372
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,190
birds and just kind of getting things

1373
01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:19,260
into focus and I'm doing this for about

1374
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:22,560
10 or 15 minutes and at the top of the

1375
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:24,780
mountain which is a peak and you've seen

1376
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:26,730
Mount Adams enough you know how it is

1377
01:05:33,650 --> 01:05:30,030
and so I've got it in view and this is

1378
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:33,660
what happens Chris on all that I love at

1379
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:37,530
that moment and I'm in the Zen state

1380
01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:42,570
right calm birds butterflies right at

1381
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:45,840
that instant from behind the peak of

1382
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:51,650
Mount Adams pops up in in perfect focus

1383
01:05:58,820 --> 01:05:57,780
imagine a black beer can 200 feet tall

1384
01:06:03,050 --> 01:05:58,830
300

1385
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:03,060
feet tall vertical black beer can with a

1386
01:06:10,580 --> 01:06:06,810
silver logo on it in the middle spinning

1387
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:10,590
and it's moving from left to right and

1388
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:13,170
it pops up behind the mountain and it's

1389
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:16,250
it's the mountain is 14 miles away and

1390
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:20,970
the peak is so this thing is huge

1391
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:23,490
it's beyond description and it's

1392
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:28,080
perfectly in focus and and it's spinning

1393
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:31,170
slowly and you can see this round silver

1394
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:34,020
spot in the middle turning with it and

1395
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:38,250
and I freaked I freaked

1396
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:42,150
I jump up and I'm yelling video video

1397
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:44,210
video shoot shoot camera cam everybody I

1398
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:45,930
lose my mind

1399
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:49,890
and I and I come back and as I come back

1400
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:51,900
to sit down

1401
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,270
this is like 10 seconds later Steve

1402
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:56,280
Marilla goes I see it man and he's got

1403
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,410
naked eye it's black with the silver

1404
01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:00,240
thing and it's spinning I said yeah I

1405
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:02,670
jump back out my binoculars and I look

1406
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:04,590
and there it is and it's moving and I'm

1407
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:08,130
thinking at that moment

1408
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:11,460
that we have clear blue sky going to the

1409
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:13,950
east for miles right so we're gonna

1410
01:07:19,220 --> 01:07:16,050
watch this thing for a while we're gonna

1411
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:19,230
get video in there and I pull off my

1412
01:07:25,850 --> 01:07:21,390
binoculars and look at it with my naked

1413
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:25,860
eye there it is and I come back to the

1414
01:07:31,850 --> 01:07:29,040
binoculars and I try to move it you know

1415
01:07:34,460 --> 01:07:31,860
to catch back up to and it's gone and I

1416
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:34,470
go back and I look with the naked eye it

1417
01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:39,810
disappeared it lasted for about 20

1418
01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:42,540
seconds 15 seconds I had enough time to

1419
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:45,240
jump up yell and scream come back sit

1420
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:45,750
down

1421
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:48,570
look talk boom get back up and it was

1422
01:07:56,090 --> 01:07:52,850
gone and daylight and now it just

1423
01:07:58,790 --> 01:07:56,100
imagine and which you are right now what

1424
01:08:03,050 --> 01:07:58,800
I saw as I described it to you in the

1425
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,060
middle of the day now that I I can't I I

1426
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:05,280
you know and it was like the holy grail

1427
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:08,580
of sightings didn't get it on video it

1428
01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:11,400
happened too quick I reacted the

1429
01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:13,980
I did and I didn't do the normal things

1430
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,390
I should have grabbed my cell phone I

1431
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:16,799
should have videotaped I should have

1432
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:23,520
done everything myself everybody's that

1433
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:25,980
you you're something happens to the

1434
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:26,759
human mind

1435
01:08:31,459 --> 01:08:29,699
oftentimes people you know in the

1436
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:31,469
interviewing people for so many years

1437
01:08:37,780 --> 01:08:34,140
and so many somebody just hundreds of

1438
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:37,790
witnesses you get a very consistent

1439
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:39,750
version that people are mesmerized

1440
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:42,390
number one by what they see most often

1441
01:08:46,099 --> 01:08:44,460
people are so you don't want to move or

1442
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,109
take their eyes off and for fear that

1443
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:48,239
they'll they'll miss something and so

1444
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:49,770
they forget to grab their camera they

1445
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:54,650
forget to grab the video camera it just

1446
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:57,630
so he does it's happened to me I know

1447
01:09:03,919 --> 01:09:01,230
that you know but it's funny you should

1448
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:03,929
mention that Adam that's the next place

1449
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,909
that we want to have a system and we're

1450
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,580
working with some folks of watching that

1451
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:10,920
watch and they move on to make that

1452
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,310
happen

1453
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:13,319
you want to know something it was on the

1454
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:15,449
other side of Mount Adams wasn't it on

1455
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:18,600
the east side when it came up we want to

1456
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:21,350
get on the east side because right there

1457
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:24,359
you know north of the Hanford nuclear

1458
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:27,150
site you know on the edge the northwest

1459
01:09:32,419 --> 01:09:29,819
corner of the Yakima Indian Reservation

1460
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:32,429
that is ground zero for the Mount Adams

1461
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:35,130
area there's some amazing activity

1462
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:36,750
that's been going on there for years and

1463
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:38,730
it doesn't get reported outside of the

1464
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,270
area the other side on Jamie James aside

1465
01:09:46,729 --> 01:09:44,640
at the seti side there's a lot of stuff

1466
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:46,739
going on there's also conventional stuff

1467
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:49,650
that's being misconstrued especially at

1468
01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:50,130
night

1469
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:52,199
it's the east side of Mount Adams for

1470
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,179
all the real major stuff and going on

1471
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:57,199
all the way back into the original you

1472
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,360
slap you know around the time of Kenneth

1473
01:10:04,580 --> 01:10:02,159
Arnold yeah that's right that's right

1474
01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:04,590
and that was all in this area you know

1475
01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:09,420
and I sit here and the the night vision

1476
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:11,880
stuff which I enjoy doing so much right

1477
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:14,730
and when you have something moving from

1478
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:17,070
east to west and you know it's in a

1479
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:19,739
satellite trajectory and it's consistent

1480
01:10:23,629 --> 01:10:22,409
okay I get that I get the ISS you know

1481
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:23,639
flyovers and

1482
01:10:28,879 --> 01:10:25,710
and we can all deduce that but when

1483
01:10:32,899 --> 01:10:28,889
you've got stuff that is not that high

1484
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,909
in the atmosphere that may not be you

1485
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:34,860
know 200 miles out when you know stuff

1486
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:38,130
is lower but going in a Northwest

1487
01:10:45,859 --> 01:10:40,650
trajectory or North the South Pole or

1488
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:45,869
orbit that isn't you know a normal

1489
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:48,630
satellite thing and then you have the

1490
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:51,330
crazy movements that go on with that and

1491
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:55,110
and some are fast some are slow you know

1492
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:57,090
I I know it's a satellite when it's a

1493
01:11:00,200 --> 01:10:58,650
satellite and I still like to see it

1494
01:11:01,609 --> 01:11:00,210
because when you pull the night vision

1495
01:11:05,959 --> 01:11:01,619
when you can't see it with the naked eye

1496
01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:05,969
that's fun but up at ESET II there I

1497
01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:09,030
would say that half of the night and

1498
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,880
this goes on you know in in crust own -

1499
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:14,159
and this goes on and in Joshua Tree in

1500
01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:16,860
Sedona half of the stuff is naked eye

1501
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,270
you know and that that is is a tough

1502
01:11:25,930 --> 01:11:23,760
thing to explain away you know and I I

1503
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:25,940
just enjoy it

1504
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:29,790
yeah and having lived in Sedona for 14

1505
01:11:35,899 --> 01:11:32,280
years and conducted quite a number of

1506
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:35,909
UFO tours over the years I've seen some

1507
01:11:40,129 --> 01:11:38,100
pretty amazing stuff there as well and

1508
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:40,139
that's also a very good spot for one of

1509
01:11:48,649 --> 01:11:43,350
these one of these UFO dab systems of it

1510
01:11:52,220 --> 01:11:48,659
now to Adam our car contract expert and

1511
01:11:54,379 --> 01:11:52,230
one of our astronomer kind of amateur

1512
01:11:57,260 --> 01:11:54,389
astronomer he's got a number of a really

1513
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:57,270
really nice telescope Wayne Hollenbeck

1514
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,500
who's he was kind of one of the

1515
01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:00,480
principal principals of the year for

1516
01:12:06,379 --> 01:12:02,940
that project he was up with Sansa Marsh

1517
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,389
she used to used to be with la MUFON and

1518
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:08,159
they're in her up at the Trout Lake area

1519
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:11,400
and they videotaped deciding you know an

1520
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:13,050
object that couldn't have been it was

1521
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:15,150
less than a half a mile away they were

1522
01:12:17,959 --> 01:12:16,860
in a clearing of trees and this thing

1523
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,969
went all the way around them and they

1524
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:20,460
got great footage of this it wasn't you

1525
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:22,440
know nocturnal it was a nighttime

1526
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:25,020
sighting but there are a number number

1527
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,409
of times during the during the filming

1528
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:30,480
which is about 30 or 40 seconds if I

1529
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:32,610
remember you can actually see the

1530
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,830
structure yeah this thing did a full

1531
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:37,560
circle around them and Wayne is never

1532
01:12:43,340 --> 01:12:40,530
that's why it took a lot to convince him

1533
01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:43,350
to concentrate on this and we first did

1534
01:12:47,660 --> 01:12:45,660
not go up them out Adam unfortunately we

1535
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:47,670
cannot find a good spot up there with

1536
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:50,760
hide no but high enough bandwidth for

1537
01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:53,370
the Internet but unfortunately in the

1538
01:12:59,140 --> 01:12:55,500
valley we finally got Internet in the

1539
01:13:01,520 --> 01:12:59,150
areas that we need it yeah there was a

1540
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:01,530
not to dwell on this because I want to

1541
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:03,750
get to a cattle mutilations but you're

1542
01:13:09,650 --> 01:13:06,480
right about that it's one thing to see a

1543
01:13:13,130 --> 01:13:09,660
light or plasma or an object it's

1544
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:13,140
another thing to see structure and that

1545
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:15,960
happened to us one time and we were

1546
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,560
again this was not this year's is two

1547
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:22,800
years ago up in he said he but Matt it

1548
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:27,870
was a flying saucer and I couldn't

1549
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:31,080
believe it it was low it was probably it

1550
01:13:36,650 --> 01:13:33,780
was that night but it was probably if I

1551
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,660
was to guess I would say a mile you know

1552
01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:38,580
five thousand feet maybe a little higher

1553
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:42,240
but it was it was it was a flying saucer

1554
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:44,220
it was glowing but you could see the

1555
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:46,380
shape you know you saw it when it

1556
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:48,930
approached it was an oval and when it

1557
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:51,000
flew overhead it was round as it flew

1558
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:54,690
away it was flat and it changed colors a

1559
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,420
couple of times but it was it was big it

1560
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:59,880
was crazy that was that was really

1561
01:14:08,030 --> 01:14:00,540
really fun

1562
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,040
and that was I can't explain it I can't

1563
01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:10,560
explain it well which goes to I want to

1564
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:12,750
jump into a cattle mutilations a little

1565
01:14:18,710 --> 01:14:17,370
bit here the the investigations that you

1566
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:18,720
have done over the years you know when

1567
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:20,340
we talk about cattle mutilations

1568
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:22,050
everybody wants to think about Linda

1569
01:14:25,220 --> 01:14:23,670
Moulton Howe and that's fine because

1570
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,230
she's done you know she's kept her

1571
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:27,600
finger on this for a very very long time

1572
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:30,330
and has brought the awareness but you've

1573
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:34,770
been doing it too as well and what are

1574
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:38,100
that as you as here we are in 2018 going

1575
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:42,750
into 2019 as you look back what what

1576
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:44,940
conclusions have you come to now what

1577
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:49,080
what who is doing this well it's really

1578
01:14:53,419 --> 01:14:51,570
complicated that's why when I

1579
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:53,429
wrote stocking to heard which is really

1580
01:14:58,399 --> 01:14:56,460
the only complete objective

1581
01:15:00,680 --> 01:14:58,409
comprehensive overview and case history

1582
01:15:03,589 --> 01:15:00,690
of the cattle mutilation phenomenon and

1583
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:03,599
I really only scratched the surface I

1584
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:06,420
mentioned in probably about a thousand

1585
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,190
cases in there and which represent about

1586
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:10,320
one-tenth of the number of cases that

1587
01:15:16,549 --> 01:15:13,190
that have occurred just in North America

1588
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,559
right now there's a whole bunch of cases

1589
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:18,480
going on down in South America

1590
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:21,570
that were me and my follow-up book was

1591
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:23,369
going to be talking about so in South

1592
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,010
America it's that's where the center of

1593
01:15:32,299 --> 01:15:29,760
this mystery has moved since about 2002

1594
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,309
most of the cattle mutilation cases have

1595
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:33,840
been occurring them you know south of

1596
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:37,610
the equator and in Australia and in in

1597
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:42,449
Argentina Peru Brazil Uruguay even as

1598
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,719
far south as Patagonia I was talking

1599
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:47,880
with my mentor and we were talking about

1600
01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:50,820
this book that came out then mizerock

1601
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:54,260
and Chuck Zukowski spoke to the 37th row

1602
01:15:58,490 --> 01:15:57,000
and we're thinking to ourselves yeah but

1603
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:58,500
you could draw a straight line anywhere

1604
01:16:02,899 --> 01:16:00,179
across North America and there's going

1605
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,909
to be you know tons of interesting stuff

1606
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:06,000
there and and I said you know I was

1607
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:08,010
saying this to my friend David I said

1608
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,010
you know what all the cases down in

1609
01:16:15,259 --> 01:16:13,679
Patagonia and he goes cases and pata go

1610
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:15,269
yeah I've never heard of any down there

1611
01:16:19,129 --> 01:16:17,730
you and I said no he said well why did

1612
01:16:22,069 --> 01:16:19,139
you say that and I said what's as far

1613
01:16:24,410 --> 01:16:22,079
away as I could think of right the 37th

1614
01:16:25,879 --> 01:16:24,420
parallel and wouldn't you know it a week

1615
01:16:32,259 --> 01:16:25,889
later there was a whole outbreak of

1616
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:32,269
cases and passed how to go and yeah wait

1617
01:16:38,779 --> 01:16:36,659
so what would who is it us is it them is

1618
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:38,789
it a combination of both well what's

1619
01:16:43,549 --> 01:16:41,340
going on yeah it's a combination of both

1620
01:16:45,470 --> 01:16:43,559
I think at the very core of the mystery

1621
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,480
you have something I strange there's

1622
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:48,239
something either the other dimensional

1623
01:16:53,629 --> 01:16:50,690
off-planet something paranormal

1624
01:16:55,549 --> 01:16:53,639
something preternatural there is

1625
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:55,559
something at the core of this high

1626
01:17:00,439 --> 01:16:58,170
strains that can't be you just can't be

1627
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:00,449
explained by modern science I'm

1628
01:17:05,290 --> 01:17:02,610
absolutely convinced of it out of the

1629
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:05,300
200 or so cases that I personal

1630
01:17:12,339 --> 01:17:08,719
investigated 40 of them I felt were done

1631
01:17:13,390 --> 01:17:12,349
were definitely mysterious and and done

1632
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:13,400
with intelligence

1633
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:16,010
there weren't scavengers the other 160

1634
01:17:20,859 --> 01:17:18,290
were probably scavenging

1635
01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:20,869
it's amazing what insects can do it's

1636
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:24,349
amazing what birds can do but you know

1637
01:17:29,589 --> 01:17:27,679
maggot blooms can polish you know

1638
01:17:33,419 --> 01:17:29,599
incisional areas where they've torn the

1639
01:17:37,839 --> 01:17:33,429
flesh yet it's it's really complicated

1640
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:37,849
but I think out of those 100 and 200

1641
01:17:42,189 --> 01:17:39,920
cases 40 of them were definitely done

1642
01:17:44,049 --> 01:17:42,199
with intelligence the majority of them

1643
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:44,059
were done with a sharp cutting implement

1644
01:17:51,580 --> 01:17:46,790
like a scalpel and out of those eight

1645
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:51,590
were really spooky eight were you just

1646
01:17:55,959 --> 01:17:54,530
couldn't explain them so there is I

1647
01:17:58,830 --> 01:17:55,969
think at the core they're they're pretty

1648
01:18:01,959 --> 01:17:58,840
rare but there are real high strange

1649
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:01,969
cases the rest of them let's say the

1650
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:05,570
other 32 out of the 40 we're done by I

1651
01:18:11,140 --> 01:18:08,770
think human agents are very skillful but

1652
01:18:13,419 --> 01:18:11,150
you know when you look at the rationale

1653
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:13,429
for doing these cases the only thing

1654
01:18:19,450 --> 01:18:17,210
that makes sense to you know I think the

1655
01:18:22,629 --> 01:18:19,460
objective side of the investigating

1656
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:22,639
community is that we receive some sort

1657
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:24,260
of environmental monitoring there

1658
01:18:32,549 --> 01:18:28,520
they're using cows as test subjects to

1659
01:18:36,430 --> 01:18:32,559
look at what's going on in the residual

1660
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,440
elements in the environment and we

1661
01:18:40,510 --> 01:18:38,719
should expect that I want to jump in I'm

1662
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:40,520
looking at the clock here and we should

1663
01:18:47,530 --> 01:18:44,420
expect that but the eight cases that you

1664
01:18:49,089 --> 01:18:47,540
just said were high strangeness let's

1665
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:49,099
talk about those for a second were these

1666
01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:51,800
eight cases that you investigated

1667
01:18:57,879 --> 01:18:55,460
personally and you saw okay now when you

1668
01:19:05,350 --> 01:18:57,889
say what makes it high strangeness for

1669
01:19:10,419 --> 01:19:05,360
you described as the deltoid calf that

1670
01:19:13,569 --> 01:19:10,429
happened in May of 97 this was I mean

1671
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:13,579
the calf was was only a couple months

1672
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:16,489
old not even six weeks old it had been

1673
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,190
targeted in a field

1674
01:19:23,650 --> 01:19:21,199
that had just gotten five inches of

1675
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:23,660
fresh snow the front leg was gone

1676
01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:26,210
missing the ribcage was gone the lungs

1677
01:19:34,060 --> 01:19:30,860
were gone the the intestines the stomach

1678
01:19:37,060 --> 01:19:34,070
you know the needle or the lower organs

1679
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:37,070
were gone except for the liver and heart

1680
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:40,370
which were expertly excised and then

1681
01:19:45,130 --> 01:19:42,310
laid very carefully in the body cavity

1682
01:19:47,470 --> 01:19:45,140
there was one drop of blood on the rear

1683
01:19:49,630 --> 01:19:47,480
left hook the animal was missing his

1684
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,640
brain with no break break into the

1685
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:52,640
cranium the brain case was dry and there

1686
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:55,250
was not one piece of dura the film that

1687
01:20:00,700 --> 01:19:58,130
goes around the the the the brain case

1688
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:00,710
the brain inside the brain case the

1689
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:03,320
animal wouldn't lot it had kind of a

1690
01:20:12,010 --> 01:20:09,050
strange very faint but but the molecules

1691
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:12,020
that were there was very strong a faint

1692
01:20:21,459 --> 01:20:18,110
kind of medicinal incense perfumey but

1693
01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:21,469
but but kind of like some sort of

1694
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:25,640
disinfectant smell and strange lights

1695
01:20:30,660 --> 01:20:27,850
were reported by two separate witnesses

1696
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:30,670
that night to the sheriff's office

1697
01:20:36,670 --> 01:20:33,830
unbeknownst to each other and like I

1698
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:36,680
said whether the the rancher dragged it

1699
01:20:42,250 --> 01:20:39,110
into his garage which was heated and I

1700
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:42,260
came back two weeks later ten days later

1701
01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:45,890
I think and the animal was in the exact

1702
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:46,820
condition

1703
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:50,030
it did not rot it had [\h__\h] and

1704
01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:54,320
necrosis he explained that and in the

1705
01:21:00,189 --> 01:20:58,190
the spine had been jerked out in an

1706
01:21:02,260 --> 01:21:00,199
upwards manner we could tell by the way

1707
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:02,270
the last remaining disk them at the hip

1708
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:06,080
and it just the disk below the skull it

1709
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:08,000
was broken in an upwards manner which

1710
01:21:13,660 --> 01:21:09,830
was impossible because the hide was

1711
01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:13,670
there so in perfect perfect incisions I

1712
01:21:17,550 --> 01:21:16,640
mean long stretches of cut hair

1713
01:21:21,070 --> 01:21:17,560
follicles

1714
01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:21,080
it was very spooky that's the only one

1715
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:23,540
that really kind of made me keep the

1716
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:25,670
light on little extra long at night well

1717
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:28,730
you know and hearing you and furred

1718
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:30,840
nobody that's met you

1719
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:36,060
you you're not you're not a small guy

1720
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:39,930
you're not you you're you're a manly man

1721
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:42,630
right if you know what I've tried to

1722
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:47,040
take and that's what I'm trying that's

1723
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:51,300
where I'm going and so I don't design

1724
01:21:59,120 --> 01:21:55,620
the t-shirt factory yes yes yes yes yes

1725
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,130
so what that that affected you and I'm

1726
01:22:05,210 --> 01:22:02,000
hearing you describe this right now and

1727
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:05,220
I can't imagine I have never seen

1728
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:06,840
anything like that you know and I've

1729
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,140
asked Linda about this too that

1730
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:11,640
emotionally you have to be affected when

1731
01:22:17,090 --> 01:22:15,510
you see this kind of stuff yeah yeah and

1732
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:17,100
that's one of the reasons why I moved

1733
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:19,110
from Colorado to Arizona because there

1734
01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:22,260
are very very few cases reported this my

1735
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:24,900
least favorite thing to do I really oh

1736
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:30,650
man it is it is the hardest thing is

1737
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:33,330
trying to be there for the rancher look

1738
01:22:36,740 --> 01:22:35,340
in his family I mean you think it's

1739
01:22:38,990 --> 01:22:36,750
freaky for someone coming from the

1740
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:39,000
outside trying to you know investigate a

1741
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:41,850
case I'm not up at your cow and yeah and

1742
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:43,320
you're worried about you know if they

1743
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:45,090
could do this to my cow and my dog

1744
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:47,880
didn't even bark and my dogs barked at

1745
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:48,390
everything

1746
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,730
hey then how the hell am I gonna protect

1747
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:52,800
my family against something like this I

1748
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:54,360
had a case where it was left on their

1749
01:22:56,780 --> 01:22:56,010
own it's literally right in this front

1750
01:22:58,850 --> 01:22:56,790
door

1751
01:23:02,750 --> 01:22:58,860
I had another case and they you want to

1752
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:02,760
hear a freaky one mmm nickname for these

1753
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,920
things we call him mute for short you

1754
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:06,900
know mute like is this my favorite

1755
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:09,330
button on the on the TV is the meed

1756
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,650
button go check it out I got a call from

1757
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:15,360
an investigator she's like you got to

1758
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:17,010
talk to this guy

1759
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:20,130
his name is John mute a mute easy

1760
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:24,090
I swear to God okay and this is up in

1761
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:26,040
the murky the Moreno Valley up behind

1762
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:28,290
Taos and so I went all the way down

1763
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:30,630
there's but to - that was - plus hour

1764
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:33,420
drive and he's sitting there and he's

1765
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,370
he's telling me I was sitting right here

1766
01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:37,860
on the porch and he had this beautiful

1767
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:40,739
ranch house that was sad about 150 feet

1768
01:23:44,299 --> 01:23:43,560
up above his pasture switches down that

1769
01:23:45,829 --> 01:23:44,309
went off into the

1770
01:23:47,839 --> 01:23:45,839
distance you know it's four or five

1771
01:23:49,729 --> 01:23:47,849
hundred acres beautiful beautiful place

1772
01:23:51,739 --> 01:23:49,739
and you can see right down there about

1773
01:23:53,029 --> 01:23:51,749
an eighth of a mile away you know four

1774
01:23:55,309 --> 01:23:53,039
or five hundred yards away we're always

1775
01:23:55,879 --> 01:23:55,319
just cows down there he goes yeah sit

1776
01:23:58,459 --> 01:23:55,889
here

1777
01:24:00,529 --> 01:23:58,469
having a beer just shooting the [\h__\h] and

1778
01:24:02,419 --> 01:24:00,539
we noticed all the cows and all of a

1779
01:24:05,059 --> 01:24:02,429
sudden they'd all gathered around I mean

1780
01:24:06,799 --> 01:24:05,069
in a little tight group right down there

1781
01:24:08,659 --> 01:24:06,809
and they started to tell they were

1782
01:24:11,059 --> 01:24:08,669
agitator we could hear a moon and they

1783
01:24:14,659 --> 01:24:11,069
were moving around kind of in a circle

1784
01:24:16,879 --> 01:24:14,669
and then when they like you know I

1785
01:24:18,799 --> 01:24:16,889
started to go down to see what was going

1786
01:24:21,619 --> 01:24:18,809
on he says they all started to move away

1787
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,629
and spread back out I know this is

1788
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:23,280
little calf that was sitting there on

1789
01:24:28,669 --> 01:24:27,209
the ground is less than a year old and

1790
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:28,679
it was laying on the ground it hadn't

1791
01:24:33,529 --> 01:24:30,089
been there before so I went down there

1792
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:33,539
and the damn thing was mutilated and I

1793
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:35,699
said well steel so wasn't there before

1794
01:24:41,659 --> 01:24:38,729
it goes nope and I said but the cows all

1795
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:41,669
got in there and then when they split up

1796
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:43,800
the calf was there and it was mutilated

1797
01:24:48,259 --> 01:24:46,800
he said yep I think I figured it out if

1798
01:24:52,339 --> 01:24:48,269
the cows think we should just let him

1799
01:25:03,679 --> 01:24:52,349
work it out amongst themselves did you

1800
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:03,689
see that did you see the cat I was

1801
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:05,489
flabbergasted

1802
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:09,030
it's like yep cows think we should just

1803
01:25:18,409 --> 01:25:13,169
let them all work amongst themselves Wow

1804
01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:18,419
Wow his name is John mute a mute easy

1805
01:25:29,299 --> 01:25:21,329
look him up Moreno Valley there are the

1806
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,309
eagle's nest unbelievable I love that

1807
01:25:37,099 --> 01:25:32,159
that's such a great story huh did you

1808
01:25:38,809 --> 01:25:37,109
see did you see the calf no I didn't

1809
01:25:40,759 --> 01:25:38,819
find out about it for a couple few days

1810
01:25:41,959 --> 01:25:40,769
and then I called him up and I made a

1811
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:41,969
trip all the way down and because there

1812
01:25:47,059 --> 01:25:44,550
have been a bunch of cases all two years

1813
01:25:50,389 --> 01:25:47,069
of Moreno Valley one rancher you I horn

1814
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:50,399
Nick he lost 49 head 50 head in two

1815
01:25:55,879 --> 01:25:51,530
years

1816
01:25:57,140 --> 01:25:55,889
it's the when when there are reported

1817
01:25:59,780 --> 01:25:57,150
lights and

1818
01:26:01,460 --> 01:25:59,790
I find that interesting because the

1819
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:01,470
lights could come from two things it

1820
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:05,330
could be et but it also could be

1821
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:07,560
helicopters you know coming in and

1822
01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:10,860
dropping these these animals off or

1823
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:12,630
picking them up too as well how many

1824
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:16,080
times do you think that is the case well

1825
01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:19,890
we have around 400 mystery helicopter

1826
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:22,200
sightings that have been documented in

1827
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,050
and around mutilation cases personally

1828
01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:28,800
I've got probably 30 30 cases that have

1829
01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:32,190
helicopters directly involved and those

1830
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:34,280
is for strange lights I've got about

1831
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:37,260
maybe a third that number maybe 10 or 12

1832
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:40,200
where there's pretty good you know I

1833
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:42,270
think pretty good circumstantial

1834
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:44,370
evidence that something I strange is

1835
01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:46,860
flying around in terms of lighting

1836
01:26:52,130 --> 01:26:49,230
patterns that sort of thing

1837
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:52,140
but most of the aerial activity yeah

1838
01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:53,820
I've even had black helicopters show up

1839
01:26:59,180 --> 01:26:56,670
when I was a black helicopters show up

1840
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:59,190
when I was investigating the case the

1841
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:01,320
sheriff of Rio Grande County had that

1842
01:27:07,670 --> 01:27:04,230
happen a couple of times as well so I

1843
01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:07,680
think helicopters in North America are

1844
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:11,640
reported more than UFO type lighting or

1845
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:13,890
craft activity whereas in South America

1846
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:16,170
it's the opposite it's more claims of

1847
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:18,810
UFO activity and less claims of

1848
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:20,730
helicopters this is the exact opposite

1849
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:24,030
from down there to up now we've got

1850
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:26,520
ahead to our break but I can ask you

1851
01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:30,270
this quickly why if the government is

1852
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:34,140
doing testing on cattle which again I

1853
01:27:39,740 --> 01:27:36,030
can understand why they would do that

1854
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:39,750
but why would they just admit to it so

1855
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:41,940
we can remove that part of the mystery I

1856
01:27:47,180 --> 01:27:45,150
mean he's covered the beef industry one

1857
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:47,190
of the largest most powerful lobbies in

1858
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:49,560
this country that you never never hear

1859
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:51,510
about and the reason why they're not

1860
01:27:57,050 --> 01:27:54,690
doing it is because what they're testing

1861
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,060
for is probably mad cow disease which is

1862
01:28:04,730 --> 01:28:00,960
100% fatal in humans and they don't want

1863
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:04,740
to you know the largest income producing

1864
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:06,810
segment of Agriculture it's the beef

1865
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,460
industry and they don't want to rock

1866
01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:11,040
that boat you know

1867
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,320
I mean look what happened to Oprah she

1868
01:28:18,170 --> 01:28:15,840
had the Howard Lyman the mad cowboy

1869
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about mad cow disease and she blurted it

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out during the show I'm never gonna eat

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another hamburger again next day she a

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two billion dollar lawsuit right yep yep

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yep and probably ate a Big Mac live by

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the way give me yes love me yes so do i

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but but I don't I don't need to

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industrialize beef protein I know where

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my beef comes from and I will not eat

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fast food beef one McDonald's hamburger

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Burger King could have up to a thousand

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animals in it let's take a break right

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here our guest tonight is christopher

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o'brien we come back i want to talk

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about skinwalker ranch we're gonna get

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into that and of course it is in the

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news and has been over the last year so

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we'll discuss that we'll take things a

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little bit further Christopher Ryan this

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is fade to black I'm arrows to be Church

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right back after this short break stay

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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with Jimmy Church on the game changing

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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jaime Church this is a

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revolution the revolution will not be

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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gonna be Church Monday night our Jes

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tonight's Christopher O'Brien tomorrow

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night Johnny

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Enoch is here really looking forward to

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01:33:57,950 --> 01:33:54,690
that conversation we're gonna talk about

1976
01:33:59,810 --> 01:33:57,960
the new area 51 and some ancient history

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01:34:03,979 --> 01:33:59,820
too as well Wednesday night Patrick wood

1978
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:03,989
and Tanakh recei 2.0 tonight it's

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Christopher O'Brien uh Chris you have

1980
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:08,760
how long did you host the para cast or

1981
01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:15,120
co-host seven eight years and over those

1982
01:34:22,370 --> 01:34:18,870
seven or eight years how how did things

1983
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:22,380
change for you with ufology and in the

1984
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,820
crypto world because I see things kind

1985
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:29,040
of coming back around this last couple

1986
01:34:31,490 --> 01:34:30,870
of years too as well but over that seven

1987
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eight years

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01:34:36,459 --> 01:34:34,590
did it change for you what was going on

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out there

1990
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:39,900
well I think it did I think we went from

1991
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:43,920
having more baby boomers more older

1992
01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:47,730
people involved it seemed to be getting

1993
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older and older and older in terms of

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the average age of people interested in

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the subjects and now I'm seeing a lot

1996
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more young young people getting involved

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Millennials

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you know folks that are you know in

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their 20s and even teens and I think

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that that's really refreshing to see

2001
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:07,350
because I really see that the baby

2002
01:35:14,780 --> 01:35:11,330
boomer paradigm is being questioned by

2003
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:14,790
by the younger folks that are getting

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01:35:20,630 --> 01:35:17,750
involved and I I do see that

2005
01:35:23,950 --> 01:35:20,640
unfortunately the the interest in shows

2006
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:23,960
like ancient aliens and in kind of

2007
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:28,080
approximations of of history and and in

2008
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:32,190
some of the crypto shows and Miss

2009
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:34,050
educating people and misinforming people

2010
01:35:39,620 --> 01:35:35,850
a bit and I think people are getting a

2011
01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:39,630
little bit of a warped view of what

2012
01:35:43,330 --> 01:35:41,790
these subjects really are they're

2013
01:35:47,630 --> 01:35:43,340
getting more of a Hollywood eyes

2014
01:35:49,610 --> 01:35:47,640
approximation version you know when I

2015
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:49,620
got started in this field there was no

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01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:52,110
internet I had to go to newspaper you

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01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:54,930
know more than our cards and libraries

2018
01:35:59,160 --> 01:35:56,110
and and

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01:36:01,140 --> 01:35:59,170
in like letters to people and spend a

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01:36:03,899 --> 01:36:01,150
lot of money on the phone when long

2021
01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:03,909
distance was expensive and and you

2022
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:06,820
really had to earn it back then but the

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01:36:11,490 --> 01:36:09,010
internet now there's a lot of people

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01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:11,500
that are taking shortcuts gleaming they

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01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:16,420
don't have well honed BS meters people

2026
01:36:22,979 --> 01:36:18,699
are I think a little bit more easily

2027
01:36:25,919 --> 01:36:22,989
fooled by you know by bad I consider

2028
01:36:27,689 --> 01:36:25,929
them bad CDI hoax is on YouTube and

2029
01:36:30,620 --> 01:36:27,699
stuff and you know there's not a

2030
01:36:34,859 --> 01:36:30,630
plethora of these these hoaxes well

2031
01:36:37,319 --> 01:36:34,869
websites did or you know you may get one

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01:36:39,870 --> 01:36:37,329
good siding out of a sow's in there it

2033
01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:39,880
means five hundred or something there

2034
01:36:44,069 --> 01:36:41,800
may be something good but most of it

2035
01:36:47,490 --> 01:36:44,079
it's just the same old you know fifty

2036
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:47,500
style approximation of what people think

2037
01:36:51,870 --> 01:36:50,230
UFOs look like and it's so easy for

2038
01:36:54,260 --> 01:36:51,880
someone such as myself who's got quite a

2039
01:36:56,549 --> 01:36:54,270
bit of training in this area to

2040
01:36:59,359 --> 01:36:56,559
instantly be able to look at something

2041
01:37:02,490 --> 01:36:59,369
and tell you exactly how it was done

2042
01:37:04,649 --> 01:37:02,500
very very rarely do I have to send it

2043
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:04,659
upstairs to someone like a race dancer

2044
01:37:10,649 --> 01:37:06,730
who's who's taught me everything I know

2045
01:37:13,229 --> 01:37:10,659
about analysis and because it could

2046
01:37:15,569 --> 01:37:13,239
possibly fool me I mean there's the

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01:37:17,010 --> 01:37:15,579
level of technology is just getting

2048
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:17,020
better and better and better so we're

2049
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:18,369
just gonna have a harder and harder time

2050
01:37:23,850 --> 01:37:21,880
with this problem and I think people are

2051
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:23,860
getting though all I would I version of

2052
01:37:28,140 --> 01:37:26,290
things in the last let's say three or

2053
01:37:34,350 --> 01:37:28,150
four years really did start getting more

2054
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:34,360
s'mores well I don't understand okay I

2055
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:36,610
don't normally go here on this program

2056
01:37:42,379 --> 01:37:39,610
but I'm gonna go here right now when and

2057
01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:42,389
I'm gonna talk about something specific

2058
01:37:48,299 --> 01:37:45,780
there was a video that was sent to me of

2059
01:37:51,649 --> 01:37:48,309
it was like Jimmy check this out man

2060
01:37:54,990 --> 01:37:51,659
it's the tr-3b on an aircraft carrier

2061
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:55,000
right now I go okay wait wait a minute

2062
01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:01,590
as reticent as my clique was I did click

2063
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:04,060
and watch it right and I'm looking at

2064
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:07,330
the video and I'm like ok seriously

2065
01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:10,690
right and then I'm looking at the

2066
01:38:17,940 --> 01:38:14,230
comments only crap it's proof oh man oh

2067
01:38:19,850 --> 01:38:17,950
man boys wait are you guys looking at

2068
01:38:23,190 --> 01:38:19,860
the same thing that I'm looking at here

2069
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:23,200
this is the fakie is fake it's not even

2070
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:25,360
good quality right and if you look

2071
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:28,330
really close you can see the shadows are

2072
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:31,840
wrong the shadows are there in the wrong

2073
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:34,810
direction and that's all you have to do

2074
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:38,110
and first off it just looks fake but if

2075
01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:41,050
you look even closer where the

2076
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:43,300
reflections and the shadows is it's just

2077
01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:48,130
wrong and my eyes my brain is computing

2078
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:50,200
and it stands out and says no the

2079
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:52,150
shadows are incorrect it's wrong it you

2080
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:55,650
know the pixelation is and but there are

2081
01:39:00,840 --> 01:38:58,960
so many out there that are convinced

2082
01:39:03,570 --> 01:39:00,850
that it's real

2083
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:03,580
and I have a problem with that it's like

2084
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:07,330
they don't want to they want to believe

2085
01:39:13,260 --> 01:39:10,090
in the in the in the phenomenon so much

2086
01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:13,270
that they're blinded to the reality of

2087
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:16,180
the situation like that and and don't

2088
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:17,440
try to tell them that they're wrong

2089
01:39:22,380 --> 01:39:20,290
either you know some of these people

2090
01:39:25,110 --> 01:39:22,390
they will go off on you that's why

2091
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:25,120
that's why I don't like talking about it

2092
01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:28,890
the video the video that was sent out

2093
01:39:34,050 --> 01:39:31,390
last week I don't know if he caught this

2094
01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:34,060
I think it was Lake Tahoe right where

2095
01:39:36,780 --> 01:39:35,320
these uh knuckler there and there's

2096
01:39:41,130 --> 01:39:36,790
there's a good I like that

2097
01:39:42,930 --> 01:39:41,140
did you see it yeah yeah ok now I don't

2098
01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:42,940
know what to make of that that's pretty

2099
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:46,540
interesting ok and so when when it

2100
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:50,850
slowed down and you saw the craft itself

2101
01:39:58,350 --> 01:39:56,530
did that look correct to you it seemed

2102
01:39:59,760 --> 01:39:58,360
like it was too small and too close to

2103
01:40:02,940 --> 01:39:59,770
the camera to be something real high

2104
01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:02,950
strange although you know if you

2105
01:40:08,970 --> 01:40:05,070
remember back about 15 years ago

2106
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:08,980
he's almost 20 years ago was they asked

2107
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:11,170
amia in the rods yeah

2108
01:40:15,540 --> 01:40:13,990
uh-huh the rod stuff it kind of reminds

2109
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:15,550
me of something like that but could

2110
01:40:18,750 --> 01:40:17,080
different obviously because you're

2111
01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:18,760
skipping doesn't have to be metallic

2112
01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:20,620
right right right the right to be

2113
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:22,060
metallic and it does appear to be

2114
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:26,250
actually you know have some sort of of

2115
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:29,530
actual presence okay now this is demo

2116
01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:31,810
now this is what you need to do go back

2117
01:40:35,850 --> 01:40:33,910
and look at the video I didn't say

2118
01:40:37,170 --> 01:40:35,860
anything about this online or into that

2119
01:40:41,550 --> 01:40:37,180
and make any comments but I'll say it

2120
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:41,560
now go back and look at the video go go

2121
01:40:47,850 --> 01:40:43,930
back and look and look at the frame the

2122
01:40:52,770 --> 01:40:47,860
Sun on the craft the reflection on the

2123
01:40:54,630 --> 01:40:52,780
craft is on its side okay it's on the

2124
01:40:56,370 --> 01:40:54,640
side face in the camera the reflections

2125
01:40:58,230 --> 01:40:56,380
on everything else in the video

2126
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,240
including the people that are blocking

2127
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:00,880
their eyes from the Sun the Sun is

2128
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:07,150
coming from the left and so you look and

2129
01:41:13,230 --> 01:41:10,270
it's obvious once you look that now if

2130
01:41:15,210 --> 01:41:13,240
it would have been a real craft caught

2131
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:15,220
in this video the Sun would have been

2132
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:17,890
reflecting from the fellow edit right on

2133
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,080
the front of the craft and you know

2134
01:41:23,820 --> 01:41:22,000
coming from the left I don't know what

2135
01:41:25,290 --> 01:41:23,830
is north south east or west I'm just

2136
01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:25,300
talking about orientation of the video

2137
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:27,220
as you look at it the Sun is coming from

2138
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:28,450
the left and you can see the reflection

2139
01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:30,130
on everything else in the video

2140
01:41:35,310 --> 01:41:31,960
including the people's heads

2141
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,320
good eye okay I didn't look at it close

2142
01:41:39,300 --> 01:41:36,880
enough I just thought it looked

2143
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,310
impressive because the first three times

2144
01:41:44,460 --> 01:41:41,920
I watched I couldn't see it I did the

2145
01:41:46,230 --> 01:41:44,470
same thing I did the same thing and so

2146
01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:46,240
but when you capture it and he's just

2147
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:48,340
stopped the frame and you look the

2148
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:53,570
[Music]

2149
01:42:00,350 --> 01:41:57,010
so anyway prove it this is proof that et

2150
01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:00,360
is here well there you go you know I

2151
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:03,430
don't go there with me I think that they

2152
01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:05,110
are more terrestrial than we are I think

2153
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,300
we're aliens I think that they've been

2154
01:42:11,790 --> 01:42:09,280
here longer and we haven't there's a

2155
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:11,800
good chance we were brought here what

2156
01:42:24,930 --> 01:42:24,510
oh why don't people oh yeah look right

2157
01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:24,940
here

2158
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:29,680
gonna die okay so everybody is uh

2159
01:42:36,090 --> 01:42:34,210
posting the pictures of the tr-3b on the

2160
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:36,100
aircraft carrier yeah look at that

2161
01:42:41,729 --> 01:42:39,250
reflection the shadows nothing matches

2162
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:41,739
it is a it's just too funny

2163
01:42:49,110 --> 01:42:45,850
okay the skinwalker ranch

2164
01:42:51,570 --> 01:42:49,120
Jeremy corbels got his new movie out and

2165
01:42:54,090 --> 01:42:51,580
I haven't seen it yet I haven't had the

2166
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:54,100
time to go and watch it but it is

2167
01:42:58,979 --> 01:42:56,290
putting this information back out there

2168
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:58,989
for everybody to go and and bring

2169
01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:01,840
skinwalker into the news and it gets

2170
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:03,340
discussed

2171
01:43:09,110 --> 01:43:06,850
have you been to skinwalker yet the

2172
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:09,120
number of times in fact I was the first

2173
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:12,010
outside the area investigator up there

2174
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:13,810
before Bigelow bought some ranch and

2175
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:16,449
before the article came out in the right

2176
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:18,010
that same week that the article came out

2177
01:43:22,170 --> 01:43:20,230
in the desert I news I went up that was

2178
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:22,180
one of the first people to go up there

2179
01:43:29,790 --> 01:43:25,650
and speak with Terry the rancher so

2180
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:29,800
compared to now it seems that you know

2181
01:43:33,979 --> 01:43:32,170
Steve Murillo and Alex Mastretta went up

2182
01:43:36,900 --> 01:43:33,989
there they actually broadcasted live

2183
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:36,910
from skinwalker back onto this program

2184
01:43:42,590 --> 01:43:38,370
we were hoping for something to happen

2185
01:43:45,780 --> 01:43:42,600
but compared to back when you were there

2186
01:43:47,670 --> 01:43:45,790
to now and there isn't anything new that

2187
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:47,680
is presented in the film you know it's

2188
01:43:53,490 --> 01:43:49,840
George Knapp sold footage which is great

2189
01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:53,500
but has things started to trail off at

2190
01:44:00,240 --> 01:43:54,310
skinwalker

2191
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:00,250
I think there's activity always going on

2192
01:44:05,729 --> 01:44:03,310
in you in a base that is an extremely

2193
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:05,739
active area and all you have to do is

2194
01:44:12,959 --> 01:44:09,910
read the great UFO the Utah UFO display

2195
01:44:14,910 --> 01:44:12,969
by Frank Salazar and look at the work

2196
01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:14,920
that he and jr. Hayek's did up there all

2197
01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:16,780
through the sixties into the 70s and

2198
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,670
actually until the eighties I mean

2199
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:20,320
that's been a hotbed of activity for

2200
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:22,570
decades and so I think there's always

2201
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:26,560
activity going on what I think and I

2202
01:44:32,850 --> 01:44:31,360
come to this educated conclusion over

2203
01:44:34,970 --> 01:44:32,860
time but I have a feeling that

2204
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:34,980
skinwalker is kind of a red herring that

2205
01:44:41,310 --> 01:44:38,530
there's activity going on southwest

2206
01:44:43,710 --> 01:44:41,320
there that's where the real meat and

2207
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:43,720
potatoes activity is going on down

2208
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:47,770
towards Green River and and the Green

2209
01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:51,520
River and and price in the the book I

2210
01:44:58,050 --> 01:44:55,060
think they call them the one day the

2211
01:45:00,720 --> 01:44:58,060
bookshelf hill down there before you get

2212
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:00,730
to the river that's where I think the

2213
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:04,210
real activities is happening and I take

2214
01:45:08,610 --> 01:45:06,730
the center of the activity has moved

2215
01:45:11,480 --> 01:45:08,620
south and by Southwest

2216
01:45:14,820 --> 01:45:11,490
I think the activity herbs and flows

2217
01:45:17,610 --> 01:45:14,830
like I said all through the area there's

2218
01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:17,620
been really amazing reports down by

2219
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:19,780
Baxter path which is a path that goes

2220
01:45:25,620 --> 01:45:22,810
over into Colorado south of Bonanza

2221
01:45:28,020 --> 01:45:25,630
there's been reports directly south of

2222
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:28,030
there there's been reports directly

2223
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:29,890
north of there right at the base of the

2224
01:45:36,210 --> 01:45:32,860
Uinta Mountains so I think skin markers

2225
01:45:39,150 --> 01:45:36,220
you know I think it does have something

2226
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:39,160
to do with what's going on there in

2227
01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:41,530
terms of it could be indicative of where

2228
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:44,980
this egress point is or an entrance and

2229
01:45:52,860 --> 01:45:48,370
exit point may be located there let's

2230
01:45:54,510 --> 01:45:52,870
say for the sake of of conjecture and I

2231
01:45:59,130 --> 01:45:54,520
do you think that it plays an important

2232
01:46:01,140 --> 01:45:59,140
role but I think it's I think it's not

2233
01:46:03,210 --> 01:46:01,150
by accident and people are being told as

2234
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:03,220
they keep looking there and lots of

2235
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:06,400
information is in lots of you know a lot

2236
01:46:10,740 --> 01:46:08,290
of people are being fascinated by that

2237
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:10,750
particular spot when they don't realize

2238
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:12,490
that there's a lot of different areas in

2239
01:46:19,380 --> 01:46:15,130
that you in a basin that should be just

2240
01:46:22,890 --> 01:46:19,390
as important for investigators to be

2241
01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:22,900
checking out is it is it et related or

2242
01:46:29,070 --> 01:46:26,380
is it terrestrial interdimensional stuff

2243
01:46:31,530 --> 01:46:29,080
going on you know that would be that

2244
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:31,540
would be my choice and I think that

2245
01:46:36,330 --> 01:46:33,010
somehow the Department of Defense have

2246
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:36,340
gotten involved and you know once that

2247
01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:37,630
happens then all bets are off because

2248
01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:40,450
you never know what you know whether

2249
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:42,790
it's real or Memorex or whether it's

2250
01:46:47,850 --> 01:46:45,370
contrived I mean the government does do

2251
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:47,860
interesting things in hotspot areas I

2252
01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:50,170
personally have seen conventional

2253
01:46:54,330 --> 01:46:52,180
aircraft rigged up with light

2254
01:46:58,770 --> 01:46:54,340
to make them look unconventional I've

2255
01:47:02,670 --> 01:46:58,780
seen that with my own eyes I've seen too

2256
01:47:04,530 --> 01:47:02,680
much you know evidence of government

2257
01:47:07,340 --> 01:47:04,540
involvement in in these hotspot areas

2258
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:07,350
kind of weird convoy sniffing around

2259
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:09,760
temporary buildings that are up for a

2260
01:47:15,450 --> 01:47:12,400
couple days and then disappear people

2261
01:47:16,770 --> 01:47:15,460
being kept out of areas where it seems

2262
01:47:20,580 --> 01:47:16,780
like there's military or government

2263
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:20,590
activity going on very very subtle very

2264
01:47:27,500 --> 01:47:23,730
clandestine very very under the radar

2265
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:27,510
real low-key but in the Uintah Basin

2266
01:47:32,570 --> 01:47:29,880
there's some of the things have been

2267
01:47:35,790 --> 01:47:32,580
reported having and flowing there and

2268
01:47:38,250 --> 01:47:35,800
this family families like that there's

2269
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:38,260
been reports of things like that around

2270
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:40,330
White Sands of course the Missile Range

2271
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:43,330
there and and oh gosh they moved the

2272
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,260
whole town out in Westland Colorado

2273
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:49,360
right the border just below the Uintah

2274
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:52,210
Basin one time some big sighting was

2275
01:47:56,370 --> 01:47:54,010
seeing they moved everybody out of town

2276
01:47:59,520 --> 01:47:56,380
to Grand Junction for a couple of days

2277
01:48:01,410 --> 01:47:59,530
and let everybody back in and people

2278
01:48:03,180 --> 01:48:01,420
traveling on i-70 said that there are

2279
01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:03,190
these huge lights down there and it was

2280
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:05,230
all these what appeared to be military

2281
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:07,330
activity in the town and they couldn't

2282
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:09,970
figure out what was going on so the area

2283
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:13,710
has always had a lot of interesting

2284
01:48:20,190 --> 01:48:16,690
military s kak Tiffany as well so I

2285
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:20,200
don't think we can factor the human side

2286
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:21,130
of it out there

2287
01:48:25,650 --> 01:48:23,530
at skinwalker ranch I think it's a whole

2288
01:48:28,820 --> 01:48:25,660
potpourri of things going on yeah well

2289
01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:28,830
what I find interesting is the also

2290
01:48:33,570 --> 01:48:31,780
sometimes the lack of military

2291
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:33,580
involvement when there are things going

2292
01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:38,800
on up at Joshua Tree which you have 29

2293
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:40,360
palms right there right one of the

2294
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:43,600
biggest marine installations in in the

2295
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:45,450
world rights right there training

2296
01:48:53,700 --> 01:48:49,030
aircraft they've got it all right there

2297
01:48:56,610 --> 01:48:53,710
29 palms and it's 19 miles away from the

2298
01:48:58,890 --> 01:48:56,620
the retreat center and we are there for

2299
01:49:03,280 --> 01:48:58,900
three years in a row out there on that

2300
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:03,290
cliff seeing the craziest stuff and

2301
01:49:07,540 --> 01:49:05,900
one you know the the famous sighting

2302
01:49:09,580 --> 01:49:07,550
that we had there you know there's

2303
01:49:12,370 --> 01:49:09,590
there's that you know the the green

2304
01:49:15,490 --> 01:49:12,380
chrome balls and that that lasted for

2305
01:49:17,890 --> 01:49:15,500
five minutes that went from the desert

2306
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:17,900
you know from the desert all the way up

2307
01:49:22,180 --> 01:49:19,610
to the atmosphere you know we watched

2308
01:49:25,210 --> 01:49:22,190
this craft just take off and and and

2309
01:49:27,940 --> 01:49:25,220
head up and and take off into space now

2310
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:27,950
you watch something like that happen and

2311
01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:31,730
then we had the the the famous Zorro Z

2312
01:49:37,410 --> 01:49:33,800
you know that happened and that was

2313
01:49:42,690 --> 01:49:37,420
miles wide Chris you know in the sky

2314
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:42,700
giant event 29 palms is right there

2315
01:49:52,180 --> 01:49:48,110
radar military aircraft Heligan

2316
01:49:55,660 --> 01:49:52,190
they didn't dispatch anything yes yes

2317
01:49:58,090 --> 01:49:55,670
yes exactly and it was like they weren't

2318
01:50:02,440 --> 01:49:58,100
interested you know and we're watching

2319
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:02,450
these crazy thing one I mean just one

2320
01:50:07,540 --> 01:50:05,030
event after another happening right next

2321
01:50:09,820 --> 01:50:07,550
to the Marine base and it was they

2322
01:50:14,980 --> 01:50:09,830
didn't dispatch one craft there was not

2323
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:14,990
one helicopter f-16 at 1522 what

2324
01:50:17,740 --> 01:50:17,330
happened nothing they just let it well

2325
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:17,750
what is that

2326
01:50:26,110 --> 01:50:23,570
right time you know this is this is what

2327
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:26,120
this is my conclusion with that is that

2328
01:50:31,540 --> 01:50:28,850
they couldn't do anything they were used

2329
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:31,550
to it they see it all the time and they

2330
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:33,290
know that there's nothing that they

2331
01:50:38,830 --> 01:50:35,780
could do so it's just another night in

2332
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:38,840
Joshua Tree for them that's what it says

2333
01:50:44,770 --> 01:50:42,290
to craft around there then you would

2334
01:50:48,970 --> 01:50:44,780
think well it's them they're monitoring

2335
01:50:50,650 --> 01:50:48,980
their own like PSYOP type you know drone

2336
01:50:52,900 --> 01:50:50,660
or something in the hypersonic drone

2337
01:50:55,150 --> 01:50:52,910
possibly or some sort of a knee grab

2338
01:50:58,300 --> 01:50:55,160
device or you know that's when you see

2339
01:51:01,420 --> 01:50:58,310
the Tenjin aircraft helicopters around

2340
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:01,430
convoy sniffing around SUV convoys with

2341
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:04,070
a bunch of antennas on each of the cars

2342
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:07,070
you know zipping around a very low-key

2343
01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:10,730
clandestine you know like and and you

2344
01:51:16,420 --> 01:51:13,280
know if there are so many different

2345
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:16,430
things that are involved in waves of UFO

2346
01:51:20,890 --> 01:51:17,209
reports

2347
01:51:22,839 --> 01:51:20,900
and in this type of activity and it's

2348
01:51:25,989 --> 01:51:22,849
it's very difficult sometimes I think to

2349
01:51:28,209 --> 01:51:25,999
unwind and unravel what's really you

2350
01:51:30,219 --> 01:51:28,219
know operative and what's going on and I

2351
01:51:31,899 --> 01:51:30,229
think some people jump to conclusions

2352
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:31,909
too quickly without having all the facts

2353
01:51:38,919 --> 01:51:35,119
and without really digging a few

2354
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:38,929
shovelfuls deeper Jason just tweeted out

2355
01:51:44,199 --> 01:51:41,199
check this out Chris Jason just tweeted

2356
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:44,209
one highlight of my life was being

2357
01:51:52,660 --> 01:51:47,360
present for the Zoro UFO and hearing

2358
01:51:56,350 --> 01:51:52,670
Jimmy go nuts right so and what is so

2359
01:51:58,449 --> 01:51:56,360
cool about that tweet Chris is that I

2360
01:52:04,509 --> 01:51:58,459
was standing there with about two

2361
01:52:09,759 --> 01:52:04,519
hundred people right it was crazy and

2362
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:09,769
when they and and I will never shut up

2363
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:13,610
about that I am their support for this

2364
01:52:20,049 --> 01:52:16,610
it was a crazy and that was naked I you

2365
01:52:23,169 --> 01:52:20,059
know that was just blown across and but

2366
01:52:31,870 --> 01:52:23,179
if if we saw it like we did well so did

2367
01:52:33,399 --> 01:52:31,880
29 palms and like everybody else because

2368
01:52:38,219 --> 01:52:33,409
it was right there in the sky

2369
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:41,109
there's nothing they could do so by

2370
01:52:45,489 --> 01:52:43,130
responding in knowing that there's

2371
01:52:48,129 --> 01:52:45,499
nothing they can do they're just looking

2372
01:52:49,929 --> 01:52:48,139
looking like they're not in control the

2373
01:52:51,729 --> 01:52:49,939
government's job is to be in control of

2374
01:52:53,259 --> 01:52:51,739
everything okay it doesn't matter what

2375
01:52:55,870 --> 01:52:53,269
it is the government wants to be in

2376
01:53:00,609 --> 01:52:55,880
control and they will bend over

2377
01:53:03,729 --> 01:53:00,619
backwards to not appear to be not in

2378
01:53:07,689 --> 01:53:03,739
control well when we come back I'm gonna

2379
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:07,699
set this up for the return one one host

2380
01:53:14,109 --> 01:53:10,010
to another I'm gonna set this up for you

2381
01:53:18,270 --> 01:53:14,119
Chris is here we are going through a

2382
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:18,280
pretty amazing year of UFO activity

2383
01:53:22,899 --> 01:53:20,570
reports it seems like we've got the

2384
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:22,909
media behind us now finally talking

2385
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:26,030
about it and in disclosure and and you

2386
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:29,190
know we've got these reports fresh today

2387
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:32,250
Ireland did you hear about that yeah

2388
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:36,690
okay and so yeah yeah exactly

2389
01:53:43,939 --> 01:53:41,370
here we are is disclosure are we are are

2390
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:43,949
we on the on the edge of something big

2391
01:53:52,450 --> 01:53:50,070
about to break yeah we should talk about

2392
01:53:55,790 --> 01:53:52,460
that definitely well what do you think

2393
01:53:59,150 --> 01:53:55,800
can you feel it is it is it terrible

2394
01:54:01,340 --> 01:53:59,160
yeah I can feel it sure but again I

2395
01:54:04,850 --> 01:54:01,350
think the whole idea of disclosure is

2396
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:04,860
totally is totally beholden to the

2397
01:54:09,850 --> 01:54:07,350
wishes of that which we want disclosure

2398
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:09,860
about I don't think that the government

2399
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:15,330
has any file in any file cabinet that

2400
01:54:19,610 --> 01:54:16,980
they can whip out and tell us

2401
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:19,620
definitively what we're dealing with I

2402
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:21,690
think that they know a lot more than we

2403
01:54:26,660 --> 01:54:23,910
do and and I think your level of

2404
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,670
confusion is based on how much you know

2405
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:28,080
and since they know a lot more than we

2406
01:54:31,220 --> 01:54:29,130
do that means if there are a lot more

2407
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,230
confused than we are and we're pretty

2408
01:54:35,450 --> 01:54:34,199
confused so that's saying a lot I think

2409
01:54:37,700 --> 01:54:35,460
the government will never admit that

2410
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,710
they're not in control in any situation

2411
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:40,320
now someone like a you know a wild card

2412
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,510
like the Donald Trump maybe if he got

2413
01:54:47,300 --> 01:54:44,400
ahold of some information or was

2414
01:54:50,540 --> 01:54:47,310
actually allowed to be read in to a

2415
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:50,550
level of secure information that he

2416
01:54:54,439 --> 01:54:52,140
would be the type of person that would

2417
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:54,449
just kind of lose his head you know

2418
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:57,210
possibly spill the beans whatever beans

2419
01:55:01,700 --> 01:54:58,560
there are to be spilled but I really

2420
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:01,710
think that it's up to the to the ETS or

2421
01:55:06,439 --> 01:55:03,810
the extra dimensionals or the Time

2422
01:55:10,459 --> 01:55:06,449
Traveler's or the you know whatever is

2423
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:10,469
going on I think I think it's totally

2424
01:55:14,060 --> 01:55:12,690
beholden to them to disclose their

2425
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,070
presence and the very fact that they

2426
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:17,280
haven't gives me the indication that

2427
01:55:25,420 --> 01:55:20,690
they're not going to anytime soon the

2428
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:25,430
the the word disclosure when when I say

2429
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:28,800
and I say it often that I don't need it

2430
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:30,810
right I've had my sightings I know you

2431
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:33,650
know there's something crazy going on

2432
01:55:39,620 --> 01:55:37,440
right exactly so for me right but when I

2433
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:39,630
say that and certainly when I say that

2434
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:41,730
kind of stuff publicly I

2435
01:55:50,210 --> 01:55:45,360
murmurs I you know I get anger from

2436
01:55:52,940 --> 01:55:50,220
because what they want they buy me

2437
01:55:55,790 --> 01:55:52,950
saying that is not what they want what

2438
01:55:58,610 --> 01:55:55,800
they want is you know the president

2439
01:56:02,060 --> 01:55:58,620
stepping up on live television and until

2440
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:02,070
that happens it disclosure hasn't

2441
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:05,310
occurred and yeah even if that does

2442
01:56:08,810 --> 01:56:07,170
happen half the population won't believe